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 Post subject: A question..
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 17:32 
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A friend of mine was flashed (twice) after passing the road markings for a GATSO fixed-speed-camera. The typical slow-down speed-up scenario. Is it possible for him to be prosecuted even though there was no markings to calculate speed once he had passed the road markings?

I am right in saying that speed is calculated by the road markings?

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 Post subject: Speed / Road / Markings
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 19:29 
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The answer is a clear yes on this one as the markings are only a guide for the camera operator of distance travelled as the camera actually measures the time it takes to travel between the 2 flashes of the camera and that is where they work out the speed and distance from.

There is a possibility that the camera may not have had a film in or the film had been used up as the cameras are designed to flash twice with or without a film so they will have to wait for a couple of weeks to see if they receive an NIP then decide what action to take.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 19:46 
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Stormin wrote:
The answer is a clear yes...



Noooooo! Conviction requires evidence AND corroboration. In the case of a Gatso the radar speed measurement provides the evidence and the photo-pair the corroboration.

No corroboration => no conviction.

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 Post subject: Re: A question..
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 20:12 
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I think some confusion has arisen resulting from hopskimoet asking two questions requiring opposite answers.
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hopskimoet wrote:
Is it possible for him to be prosecuted even though there was no markings to calculate speed once he had passed the road markings?

No.

hopskimoet wrote:
I am right in saying that speed is calculated by the road markings?

Yes. (used for confirmation of the speed from the radar sensor).

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Last edited by Steve on Thu Nov 08, 2007 20:32, edited 2 times in total.

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 Post subject: Speed Corroboration
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I stand corrected as I did read somewhere that the road markings were not a legal requirement as the camera measuring equipment gave the time and distance for the calculations on the photo/s :oops: :oops: :oops: .

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SafeSpeed wrote:
Stormin wrote:
The answer is a clear yes...



Noooooo! Conviction requires evidence AND corroboration. In the case of a Gatso the radar speed measurement provides the evidence and the photo-pair the corroboration.

No corroboration => no conviction.


You can still do a time/distance calculation by overlaying markings on the photo.

As long as the camera takes 2 images at a known time interval there is corroboration.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 13:22 
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Homer wrote:
You can still do a time/distance calculation by overlaying markings on the photo.

As long as the camera takes 2 images at a known time interval there is corroboration.

As I understand it, the overlay should be derived directly from fixed markers on the side of the road (some Redspeed do just that - literally connecting the dots). A straight overlay is a :nono:


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I had a similar occurance but I accelerated onto a second set of lines after the lines next to the camera. Its as if they were trying to get drivers who accelerate away from the camera zone. Anyway its now 14 days after that and thankfully no NIP yet so looks like they're out of time.

see this thread http://www.safespeed.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p=156130#156130


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