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I have a wonderful question for you forumers.

Here is how Mr Squirrel drives.

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Once we'd both calmed down (after a quick burst of around 130mph down the motorway) we both burst out laughing...


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(although I did once hit 116mph in the Fiesta according to the speedo... so probably about 108!).


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For example I was racing a friend (yes, I know, mad 5 minutes!) down the B4058 towards Bristol.


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My response was to tuck back in a little closer and touch the brake pedal just so the lights came on whilst giving him the middle finger. Then take off like a bat out of hell.


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I've now got into the habit (frowned upon in the Highway Code and by the IAM, but actually safer) of not hitting the indicator until the last possible moment.


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Hey Dave... back at new year I had a minor problem with my car and I'd been loaned an A3 3.2 Quattro by Audi Roadside. And coming up the M5 I decided to see what it could do.

175mph was the answer.

If I'd seen you on the road I'd have driven into you.


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Unfortunately this meant that it took me a bit longer to get past her, so when I tucked back in I was rather close to a sharp left-hander... doing about 120mph!"


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Disclaimer - I don't advocate motor racing on a public highway, and I wouldn't normally indulge in such things. On this occasion I'd drunk far too much Red Bull


You forumers can view them on this forum http://www.howmotorwayswork.co.uk/forum ... r=Squirrel

Drivers will be more interested in the following posts http://www.howmotorwayswork.co.uk/forum ... highlight= Please go to the bottom post.

Why there are even examples on this forum viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17831&p=174860#p174860

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=16402




Perhaps this post most of all http://www.howmotorwayswork.co.uk/forum ... php?p=516&



This wonderful question now appears. If like me you think he should not be on the roads, is it acceptable to hope he would have recieved a ban from the case discussed in this thread even though it may not be just. Or that justice is justice and it was just Mr Squirrel got exempt.

But this is assuming one believes the facts given by Mr Squirrel in this endevour.

What are forumers opinions on this question?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 10:41 
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Why would the judge believe that you were the driver based on the evidence you present above? Is there anything you are not telling us?


Don't think so. Apparently it was "highly suspicious" that I contacted a solicitor straight away rather than trying to deal with the matter myself as I had done for the two NIPs from the cloned vehicle. As I explained to the bench on Friday I am not a member of the legal profession, and here I'm prepared to state that while I was comfortable dealing with scamera pratnerships I didn't fancy having to take on the full wrath of the legal system in order to prove my innocence.

As far as civil action against the police goes it seems to be an open and shut case. The two officers that stopped the car failed to carry out a PNC check (I've been pulled for speeding twice and both times the car was PNC checked). By doing this they not only allowed an identity thief to escape unpunished they also put me through 2 years of stress.

Now I need to fight to get my costs back... I'm almost £3,000 out of pocket, which I can ill-afford right now. (Although I could afford to lose my license even less.)


Squirrel - run this story to your local paper and the Waily. Might be a way forward to get a sympathy "outraged" wave and some may help fund quest to launch civil suit to recoup costs - but they look for any dirty laundry as well :wink: .

Sympathise with your predicament - assuming accuracy :wink: . You had documents cancelling the speeding fines after all. Car was flagged as "cloned". I would have applied to get the vehicle re-registered immediately though as a cloning was sufficient good reason to do so,

Engaging a solicitor should not "promote suspicion" in any case as it is a basic right when in bother like this. :roll:


I am surprised the officers did not recognise you in the court since they allege they pulled in person though. :roll: Presumably this car is the same make/colour as yours as well. :popcorn: I would think hard as to where this car was serviced or any occasion where your and its details could have been left to enable this cloning to occur - especially since the person purported to be yourself when pulled. Identity theft can happen. You need to think hard as to how it may have happened and check all other data and bank records etc in case there is a bit more which can help you win any further action you may want to take..:popcorn:



However, I would advise against undertaking etc. (per the other thread I'd forgotten you in :wink: By the way .. size of engine and dick don't matter - it's the skilled performance which count and satisfy on all levels :popcorn: ) The fact that our lads were hurtling down the hard shoulder on the way to an incident on our patch of the A1(M) a bit back is neither undertaking nor driving recklessly :wink: (40 mph seems fast when the rest are "parked up" :roll: Three figures on the dash are in ban territory - even in Germany on the limited stretches :wink:

As said - you need to think hard as to how this car happened to be cloned and the person stopped gave your name and address to the officers. I am surprised though that they were unable to identify you in the court as the person they pulled all the same :roll: That to me is one thing in this case which I find a bit surprising :popcorn: Maybe I'd chalk to experience and do an IAM and a HPC so as to maximise fun days on track. :popcorn:

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Reading through pratnerships post and the other forums it points to it does apear that we havn'tbeen told the whole truth.
Either squirrel has an evil twin or there are some people posting a long tall tail trying to get us involved in an imaginary world.
(copper posting as a crim on a forum type of thing) I believe it to be senario 1, because I can usually spot senario 2 by the second post!

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It is the same person Anton, if it is disputed I am able to post a link to yet another forum where Mr Squirrel has issued similar rants. From this forum it is very clear Mr Squirrel is the same entity posting on all 3 websites.

I do not know if the whole tale of these cloned plates is true or not, but sadly that is something we will never know as Mr Squirrel is so often economical with the truth. I would venture there is some element of truth to it, but as for the details we will not know.

Possibly the most worrying aspect of all the ranting is the denial that Mr Squirrel is causing all this directed aggression towards him.

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Ah - pratnership is Luke Barton of Nailsworth, aka Mr_B, now banned from the town forum where I live? And having now been banned from that forum seeks to launch a series of personal attacks on me on this forum? And before you deny it you've quoted exactly the same rants from howmotorwayswork as you did on that other forum. Shortly before accusing me of harbouring a collection of child pornography as I recall.

*plonk*

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I'd be tempted to suspect he is one and the same - if you look at his posts on that other forum he refers to a picture of his car, the link is to a squirrel solutions website:
http://www.howmotorwayswork.co.uk/forum ... ight=#1851
Lo and behold, on his profile here: memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2681, same website.

Reading his tales of driving exploits in his whole 3 to 5 years of driving, makes me rather glad I rarely drive in the Cotswolds. When I do, I will be on the lookout for Silver Audi A4's!

[edit to add - this post took ages to type up because I was off doing other things and forgot to press "submit" - it was in answer to Anton's post, rather than any subsequent postings]

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handy - howmotorwayswork is quite clearly a spleen-venting forum. Items posted on there are always exaggerated and "sexed up" for that purpose. This, on the other hand, is a forum for serious discussions about road safety, and I'm disappointed that "pratnership" has tried to launch a character assassination on me on this forum.

I've reported that post as it was deliberately crafted to provoke a negative reaction and serves no positive purpose.

I'm a member of the IAM, I've had track experience (limited but it's something I'd like to do more of) and I drive 35,000 miles a year on all types of road.

I also believe that "pratnership" is someone from the community forum where I live who seems to have a particular axe to grind. I'd therefore request that people ignore him for the troll that he appears to be. It's worth noting that he's made very few posts, 4 in total, 3 of which have been on this thread.

pratnership - if I'm wrong about this then I do apologise in advance, that's just how it appears to me. It may be that you've taken comments I posted on a spleen-venting forum at face value; it was after all in a spleen venting forum therefore anything posted in it should be taken with the prescribed pinch of salt!

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Tut tut, I have never once used your name online. Its a good job I dont mind. As for all those claims, they are untrue. Quite frankly, I find it suspicious you know of the programs that police use to retreieve data, and more so the programs and methods of being able to thwart those programs (and post how to do so!). Which is exactly what I said, and continue to say.

However, I do not wish to get personal, but people are welcome to view the discussions on that website. I would point out you have been banned from that site using various usernames, pretending that new ones were not you.

My aim here, is to get vetran drivers and expirenced road users to see that your a danger to others (and yourself) on the roads. And maybe, just maybe you will listen to them, as you judged everyone else on that forum (despite having more expirence and miles than you) as stupid.

Spleen venting is not a valid excuse. Please state if you did or did not do those things.

Its worth mentioning that when I first saw Mr Squirrel's posts, I agreed with him. However over time he is probably the biggest reason I can think of for agreeing to speed limits.

Currently, I still don't. However after expirence with Mr Squirrel, it does make me ponder what it would be like without speed limits.

I remain worried about friends and family there, and admittedly theres also a sense of injustice that you are allowed to drive on the roads as you do.

I would appriciate expirenced drivers comments about this.

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So my supposition was right, you are indeed Mr_B, and therefore you've simply come on here in order to pick a fight with me? Not going to happen...

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I wasn't hiding my indentity (pratnership - come on!), and unlike you I openly admit whom I am.

But Im not here to pick a fight, you don't even need to comment.

Im after other drivers opinions on this.

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Getting back to the original topic:

A court of law has decreed that it could not be proven that I was driving the vehicle that had been stopped on the 17th November 2005, and that it could not be proven that the vehicle that was stopped was indeed the vehicle rightfully bearing those plates.

In the eyes of the law that means I've been found innocent of all allegations.

Now I know for a fact that I wasn't even driving that day, never mind on the M20. Therefore by failing to carry out a PNC check at the roadside the two officers that stopped the car falsely bearing my registration number allowed an identity theft criminal to escape justice - as well as putting me through an unnecessary court case.

I am disgusted that costs were not awarded, however I shall firstly attempt to appeal this. If this is not successful then I will begin civil proceedings against the two officers that stopped the offending vehicle, as their negligence has left me out of pocket.

Will keep you all updated.

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This forum is not the place to pursue personal vendettas. Can we please get back to discussing the issues?

If not, we may end up having to lock the thread.

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yup.. putting the above aside.
whether we beleive it or not... whether we think he should be on the roads or not....

...i suspect we have to support the right to appeal against this kind of legal incompetance.

unless there is indeed something presented in court we're not told about, previous convictions, style of driving & online boasting should not be able to influence the outcome of the system.


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the only thing I could think of that may not have been in Cyril's favour was that according to his notes about the court appearance, he did not offer any kind of "alibi"? If there had been a colleague or client who was able to state that "Mr. The Squirrel was in my presence at ____ from ___ o'clock until ___ o'clock" that may have changed the magistrates opinion.

Of course it may be that he did have a person of good standing who could back up his statement of "I know it wasn't me" but omitted it from the report for reasons of brevity.

Kind of makes me wish Fisherman was still an active poster on this site - he may have been able to comment.

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Remember though, its reasonable doubt...

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Unfortunately in this case I live on my own - and the "pull" happened on a Saturday. So that option wasn't open to me.

Like I said earlier I think my only recourse now is to bring a civil action against the two officers who stopped the cloned car...

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Unfortunately in this case I live on my own - and the "pull" happened on a Saturday. So that option wasn't open to me.

Like I said earlier I think my only recourse now is to bring a civil action against the two officers who stopped the cloned car...



Did you go shopping? Pay for something with a plastic card? Have any receipts for any shopping done locally? This is the sort of thing which can help prove you were not on the M20 that day. If you do not have receipt - copy bank statement /credit card statement will have itemised the transaction.

Just a thought... :wink: Am trying to think of the tangible which can support your case/claims here .. :popcorn:

Again - if you think someone nicked your identity - then think how this could have occurred. Did you give away too much personal information in an internet chat room/profile? Did you chuck away any documents relating to your car/licence?/bank statements? These are the items you need to think about to support your case here. :wink:

Pratnership - courts base on the evidence presented and it seems there was insufficient evidence to prove this case.

He would be on trial for that particular offence. Other offences or record would only be disclosed if found guilty and relevant to deciding the punishment in some - but no means all cases, as we are not tried in the country for past crimes or spent offences But the relevant recent history can be taken into consideration and purely up the the courts' discretion when deciding punishment all the same.

However, I do not think it over-suspicious that Mr Squirrel knows what you think he knows about procedure :wink: He will have gleaned some "knowledge" :wink: via the internet and his dealings with his solicitor and previous court appearances relating to this case over the duration - to be fair minded and objective here. I take your point about your concerns about various daft comments all the same.

However, on this site we tend to discuss serious ways in which we can drive up driver standards and hopefully Mr Squirrel will learn more here than on any "hooning forum" :wink:

Now - hopefully we have drawn a line under the acrimony between this pair and I hope both contribute more thoughtfully to discussions about true road safety matters. Now the pair of you - have a mug of hot choc .. and relax... breathe.. chill.

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Did you go shopping? Pay for something with a plastic card? Have any receipts for any shopping done locally? This is the sort of thing which can help prove you were not on the M20 that day. If you do not have receipt - copy bank statement /credit card statement will have itemised the transaction.


I did have a look for something like this when I got the initial letter from Kent Police but nothing showed up. It was over 2 years ago now but I'm sure I was either at home the whole day or at the most I'd have only gone a few miles, possibly down to the shopping centre.

As I remember there was also a minor problem with my car making a rattling noise at the time so I wouldn't have wanted to go on any long trips. (Turned out to be the clutch bearing and was replaced under warranty.)

Ultimately yes, I was acquitted, but costs were not awarded. So the whole thing's left me considerably out of pocket.

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Pratnership - courts base on the evidence presented and it seems there was insufficient evidence to prove this case.




He would be on trial for that particular offence. Other offences or record would only be disclosed if found guilty and relevant to deciding the punishment in some - but no means all cases, as we are not tried in the country for past crimes or spent offences But the relevant recent history can be taken into consideration and purely up the the courts' discretion when deciding punishment all the same.


I know, I was interested to know if people thought that a bad driver should be banned/punished even if it (possibly) wasn't the event in question. He does have/had clients in Kent (at that time too), so its not as if theres no reason to be there, unlike he previously claimed.

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However, I do not think it over-suspicious that Mr Squirrel knows what you think he knows about procedure :wink: He will have gleaned some "knowledge" :wink: via the internet and his dealings with his solicitor and previous court appearances relating to this case over the duration - to be fair minded and objective here. I take your point about your concerns about various daft comments all the same.



The suspicous (procedure) bit was about something personal which he claimed I accused him of, which I didn't, not the driving.

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However, on this site we tend to discuss serious ways in which we can drive up driver standards and hopefully Mr Squirrel will learn more here than on any "hooning forum" :wink:


And thats the point of my post. In retrospect, I should have started a new thread in another section, rather than tack onto this one.

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Now - hopefully we have drawn a line under the acrimony between this pair and I hope both contribute more thoughtfully to discussions about true road safety matters. Now the pair of you - have a mug of hot choc .. and relax... breathe.. chill.



Not at all, while I freely admit to disliking the guy (knowing him personally, not just taking exception to his posts), I am here to try and make him see his driving needs adjustment. Its not just about the speeds he does, its more the attitude.

Gratious speeding (150 +), racing and deliberate dangerous behavious aside - lets put that on the back burner as to weather it was blatent untrue boasting or not - there is post after post of examples of people reacting badly to Mr Squirrels driving.

My whole aim is to get him to see that he is obviously driving too aggressively, and that is the reason for the many bad reactions he has. Even Paul Smith commented on this, on one of Mr Squirrels posts here.

If the more expirenced drivers on here can make him realise this, then a lot of people in the Cotswolds will be safer on the roads.

If thats better being started off in a new thread, I'll start one.

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Not at all, while I freely admit to disliking the guy (knowing him personally, not just taking exception to his posts), I am here to try and make him see his driving needs adjustment. Its not just about the speeds he does, its more the attitude.


Do you honestly believe that engaging in a personal crusade through internet forums to re-educate a driver to whom you have an admitted dislike, is actually going to achieve a result?
Good luck :roll:

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