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Northumbria Police have issued Notice of Intended Prosecution. I was "flashed" doing 58mph on a stretch of dual carriageway (A1058 Coast Road, Newcastle) with a 50 mph limit, shortly before it changes to 70mph, road was dry, fairly quiet, good visibility (although I didn't notice the Bl**dy camera obviously!!!). I admit when I looked down at speedo when flash went off I was indeed doing 58mph. Is there anything I can do? Or do I just have to take it like a man and pay the fine?

Have a look at pepipoo. They specialise in this sort of thing.

If your speedo was showing 58mph, then there is a good chance that you were actually going slower than this due to tolerances all being downwards.

A fairly typical location to make money - DC leading to NSL - but it may be a "fair cop".

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

What sort of camera was it?

A Redspeed, or a GATSO?

If it's a Redspeed, they are (notoriously) inaccurate, and the proof they bring to court is decidedly dodgy.
Ask if you can see the secondary check pictures - I have seen a set for a Redspeed where the driver got off in court. The pictures showed he had NOT travelled the required distance, and SHOULD have been checked before a summons was issued!

A look at the court lists for Kendal showed a lot of drivers being done right on the threshold.

If you are not sure of the type, let us know and somebody will post up some pictures.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Sure it was GATSO, N'mbria Police' letter gave me link to site, where I can see photos and they woulsd seem to show that was doing 58 which even I believe is correct. Also on the site has copys of certificates showing camera been calibrated correctly etc and the camera facing front of vehicle so you can see its me. So looks like I'll have to pay up. The sickening thing as I say is that as the map on the site showing where the camera is, and the pictures of me passing the camera. It was a dual carriageway completely seperated from all pedestrian traffic, and it was a bright clear day, no other traffic in picture frame and i was doing 58mph. What exactly is UNSAFE about that!!!!!.

If it was forward facing, it was probably a Truvelo.
Can you PM a link to me to see the pictures/calibration certificate?

I have been looking at GATSO and REDSPEED certificates.
The certificates displayed do not even come close to the Home Office's own requirements given in their Guide to Calibration Requirements for Traffic Enforcement Equipment
http://scienceandresearch.homeoffice.go ... ?version=1


The British Standard for calibration certificates (shared with European and International Standards) is BS EN ISO 17025.
It's doubtful any of them meet this standard - they need the money too badly!

All is not lost yet! At the very least you can make them work for your money!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Type of camera - have a look on www.speedcam.co.uk - shows most types of camera in use.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

as in the advet NO BUTS!! OBSERVATION OBSERVATION OBSERVATION there is really no excuse for excessive speed

Agreed, however, this is not the same as exceeding the speed limit.

~~If you check out the Read this is you have a NIP at the topic of this Forum section ... the website has various offers of advice to be considered.

Have they sent you items 'in' or 'out of' time?
Ask for their evidence and insist on obtaining all the video (proper 'real time' rate not 1 in every 5th frame) from 'that days session'.
Ask for calibration certificates.

Check that all the road sign are 'right' or wrong.

Mary Monson solicitors can be reach for FREE on 0808 1554 870 and also have a website here that has a free guide for motorists.
Using them helps to support Safe Speed.
If you become a Safe Speed member then they give you a 10% discount and access to The Clubhouse Forum.

Hope that this helps ...point you in the right direction ... there are many good folk here that will try to help ...

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interesting...
do they do English and Scottish law?

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

If I recall correctly the transport Laws are Nation wide ... but perhaps we can check into this ....
They certainly are very happy to represent anyone from anywhere in the UK.

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I suddenly have this vision of a biker in Scotland, wearing a kilt, and getting done for indecency... or flashing at a speed camera!

There are actually two sets of laws.
On your licences and insurance documents, your MOT and registration document, EVERYTHING has to be exactly as the law prescribes, but if you are a speed camera manufacturer, you can ignore all the Home office requirements, and get away with it.

I hope Stevo contacts me for all the documentation he could check if it's a REDSPEED, and takes it to Pepipoo or Monsons.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Ern - having consulted with several gents in Scotland - there can be no problems with construction and use regulations of any personal parts whilst wearing the kilt - ALL PARTS ARE IN FULL WORKING ORDER. (I.E. NOTHING IS IN THE SLIGHTEST PART WORN)

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

the law in Scotland is more or less the same. however the procedure is different. A ruling by the high court in London is persuasive but not binding on a Scottish court.

the law in other areas is VERY different... buying houses for example.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code