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Well quite, it's called victim blaming. Very often the victim in these circumstances isn't to blame at all, even in hindsight if they could have done something differently to avoid the situation. In the eyes of many, for cyclists this starts with 'well, if they choose to ride on the road what do they expect'.

I'm sorry you didn't get my analogy weepej; but not surprised.

Merry Christmas to all and a happy & safe New Year in the 21st century 'jungle' to all...

Tony

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I'm certain the pedestrians in our(suppossedly wheeled vehicle free) town centre would aggree with you ,once they remove the front wheel from the back passage. Oh ,they( the victim) could have done something about it - have eyes fitted to the back of their head .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I did get your analogy.

What I read was people that go inside tiger cages are stupid and deserve what they get. I'd pretty much agree with that!

You appear to assert the same applies to road users (in particular cyclists, but by extension pedestrians and vehicle drivers) which I strongly disagree with.

You are so fixed in your opinion weepej I don’t know why you don’t join or support Brake instead; they’re fanatics too.

I remember reading one of Winston Churchill’s definitions, “a fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject”.

If that’s not BRAKE, and you, I don’t know what is! The technique of a mass movement, like BRAKE, aims to infect people with a malady and then offer the movement as a cure.

It’s bad enough that so many people believe things without any evidence, but what's worse is that some people have no conception of evidence and regard facts as just someone else’s opinion.

The statistics and bullshit surrounding "speed kills" are like the fellow who drowned in a river whose average depth was two feet...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

The irony of that, Tone, is that you could also drown in two inches of water just like you can be killed by a vehicle travelling at 2MPH...but hey ho..... the main rule that every road user should run their daily life by and all will be well..SPEED KILLS!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

There’s a whole raft of sound bites which would mean zero KSI if everyone abided by them Grabs. You could equally substitute the speed kills message with ‘don’t crash’ or ‘look before you leap’. I’m sure many in London would actually prefer ‘don’t pull out if there’s not the room’ to be enforced over basic speeding.

Prosecuting someone for speeding where there is no other road user is no different to prosecuting a driver for dangerous driving because he pulled into a main road which is clear. "Uh?" I hear some say...

If there’s no one on the main road and therefore you haven’t carved anyone up why should you be done for DD? Well, you wouldn’t of course; that would be absurd. Yet it is quite legitimate to do someone for speeding where there is no one around on that very same, absurd, basis. The classic victimless crime, as it's known.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Ah but then you have the seat belt/motorcycle helmet law. Who's life are you actually endangering but your own? (it's all about saving the government money) I had to laugh when looking at what's on for New Years Eve to see that a local venue has stated, to quote their own wording....
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No doubt people attending will breathe a big sigh of relief to realise their lives are no longer in danger from such attrocious weaponry.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Note the following article was written before Phillips wrote her spiteful little hate piece, she follows it word for word practically!

http://aseasyasridingabike.wordpress.co ... -bicycles/

Er, you could.

You can be done for dangerous driving if there is nobody around and there was no chance at all of you hurting anybody at the time, so your rant is based on error.

I dunno if it's all about that. For instance, I don't think my dad would've been wearing a seat belt when he went into the back of a car that he didn't see if it wasn't law to do so (he only started wearing one when it became the law to do so).

Had it not been law he probably wouldn't be here today, either that or he probably would've been very badly injured

Thereby I strongly support the seatbelt law, and I imagine he does too.

So there's more to it than moneys saving (which in itself is surely a good reason to mandate the wearing of seatbelts anyway right?).

Please do elaborate Mr Weeprant?

Reminds me of 'if a tree falls in a forest but no one saw it' etc..

Anyway, I like you weepej, not because you make your cause look absurd but because of your SOH.

So I was cycling through London last week and came across a lump of plastercine on the road. I didnt know what to make of it....

Take care nob & happy 2013...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Not quite sure of the connection? I thought there were laws against driving into the back of people before seat belt wearing laws were introduced? There's a world of difference between that and someone doing more than 70 on a deserted M6 over Shap one night (when conditions permit)!

I can see the point weepej makes about laws to protect us from ourselves, if that's the point he was making??

When I started riding motorbikes I really couldn't afford a helmet, things were that tight! Thank goodness I was forced to do so otherwise I'm sure I wouldn't be here to say it. But these should be very carefully considered before foisting them upon the masses. If you take safety to the extreme, society just wouldn't function. Besides which, the extreme measures would also be unenforceable.

Still waiting for an example...

How can something be considered dangerous if "there is nobody around and there was no chance at all of you hurting anybody at the time"? I'd like to see you argue that one in Court. Again, as always, you are confusing what is relatively safe with what is simply unlawful. Going over a speed limit can be safe, if illegal, just as being under a limit can be perfectly legal but very risky. A wise driver knows the difference and, more significantly, they are not the ones causing accidents...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Possibly he means extreme speeding, which may be treated as dangerous driving. But it's hard to think of any other circumstance in which that might apply.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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Yes, that's the only thing I can think of too Peter. I did what may be called extreme speed in Germany and I must say in the wrong, inexperienced, hands I think It's literally suicidal!

Quite honestly, when I saw that program about the war between drivers and cyclists in London I thought, as a generalisation, they were ALL barmy! The drivers were blind, or just couldn't give a toss, about cyclists but the cyclists were IMHO going way too fast for the conditions. (Yes, that phrase doesn't just apply to vehicles with a mechanical engine in my book).

I was absolutely cringing at the pace they were traveling at in between traffic, like they were trying to make a statement against drivers. The drivers were just contemptuous of cyclists because of their typical selfish city mentality. That's my take anyway.

Birmingham's nearly as bad; that's why I stopped cycling to work

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

I must agree that far too many people, I see, who drive in urban conditions drive far too fast/close for the environment (not necessarily exceeding the limit) and yet these same people if you follow them out of town, never seem to make much progress and their "urgency" seems to disappear when on the open road. (could this be why urban accident rates are so high?) I'm all for getting a move on but some people just don't seem to appreciate when a certain speed is appropriate or not.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.