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And perhaps more ward dedicated to those cyclists that believe that a bit plastic on head means they're invincible, and bear a charmed life, whilst all around dedicated folks with motoring training seek to prevent them harming them selves.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Yes, but that doesn't negate what I said regarding the laws of any particular land or it not being a compromise between freedoms and safety.

We can't all live in a bubble. Well we could I suppose and die of boredom. So what was your point sir?

BTW. What hospital is entirety devoted to motorbike casualties? Every hospice, hospital and care home I've ever been to has a wide spread of reasons why they're there. The exception, perhaps, being for the elderly where their bodies are basically wearing out...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

So many people ride bikes over there, without any protection (very few helmets and certainly no leathers), and many are badly overloaded.

Large parts of hospitals are devoted to the types of injuries people get when they fall off motorbikes.

However, I'm pretty sure the same wouldn't apply if everybody rode cycles instead, in fact, we know it doesn't because you don't see similar levels of injury amongst cyclists in the Netherlands, where they also ride unprotected, without helmets.

http://www.who.int/violence_injury_prev ... a.pdf?ua=1

http://www.treehugger.com/bikes/why-dut ... lmets.html

Do grow up botach.

Many people you see on cycles will also drive a car.

To drive a car, which is a one tonne plus motorised vehicle, in an environment with pedestrians, horse riders and cyclists (who were there first), sure you need training.

Ah, did you mean 'entire Wards' Weepej? You didn't say that. At the risk of being a pedant, here's what you actually said..


But moving on...

TBH, I haven't been aware of whole Wards having the same demographic of casualties either, because it's a major ball-ache just to get a bed often; never mind being picky about grouping patients together. But it would make sense if they could do that as a sort of "so how did you gob it?' moral-boosting group hug thing. (I'll ask next time ).

Another TBH is that I never, to date, see more than one patient on a Ward. (Nursing homes and hospices, yes, sometimes). So I may well be back to say I'm wrong.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

SO why do not those who decide to duel with motorised transport not need training. I'd suggest you need to grow up, ( or head back under that watery bridge, as a troll).
You say "Many people you see on cycles will also drive a car.", OK,BUT, if thats as true as you say ,then WHY are so many cyclists also apparently ignorant of road laws ?
I'd sugest YOU grow up and stop being a TROLL. Or admit that a lot of cyclists are out to take the PEE .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Just as an aside (sorry for the thread drift) does anyone have any accurate figures for stopping distance in the dry from (say) 20 or 30 MPH for a pushbike? An "average" road one would be nice, but just to get us in the ball park, any pushbike at all, with any kind of brakes. Just curious.

I should imagine it varies a bit with the weight of the person on it and thinking distance would have to be discounted, as that could range from 2 seconds to infinity...

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

I mad a desicion resently to folow the ethos if thus bord

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

And people who fall down stairs, trip over kerbs etc.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

And with the skill of the rider, since just slamming on the brakes would probably pitch you over the 'bars.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

My Trek has V-Brakes; arguably as good as the disc brakes I had on my, late, Speciallized Stumpjumper. Although I haven't tried it I reckon it could do a reverse wheelie.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

A couple of references in this old thread:
http://forum.ctc.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5535

They're not ignorant of them, they're ignoring them, just like you do when you speed or use a mobile phone behind the wheel.

I'd suggest either a spell checquer or another keybord. ( Both spelling boo bo's on purposse).
weepy- Again ,you're looking at things you THINK I've said. PROVE IT or I'll ask report this post of yours to admin as adhomine ,and ask admin to re instate your TROLL status.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Falling off a motorbike out there is an occupational hazard, and very common. No protective clothing = skin rubbed off, indeed it happened to a colleague when I was out there, he was taken to a hospital that specialised in skin grafts.

A bit like inner city hospitals in rough areas that are very good at dealing with bullet wounds.

I fail to see where this is has any bearing on helmets or other traffic accidents. I propose that this is another Weepy Troll post, and WEEPY should be relegated to the prime position of Troll. Perhaps ADMIN should be alerted to his latest outburst.
I'm happy to ask them to add this to his latest list of problems.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Keep up botach.

It was big Tone that started on the India thing, he suggested that people in India travel with up for four people on a bike, and somehow this was OK.

It's not, many people are seriously injured in motorbike crashes, very few wear helmets or protective clothing, and serious injuries are very common.

No I did not say it was "OK" weepej! Please show me where I said that? (He can't and wont).

This is what I actually said..


Why don’t you just ask me what I think instead of drawing incorrect conclusions from something I haven’t said? To my mind the example of what you may see in India is very bad, yet the much more minor infringement in Switzerland is regarded as extremely bad. But they are the laws, as they currently stand, for said respective country. (Which is what I said).

Things don’t just suddenly become more or less dangerous just because of a law, or the absence thereof! It either is or isn’t dangerous - or something in between. It is then simply a matter of what laws are in place. My old argument that I have done 100+mph in Germany on a road which is absolutely no different to one in this country; yet in this country I’d get banned, heavily fined and branded a maniac. That's what this country thinks; Germany thinks differently.

What are you going to accuse me of next?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

How about any sort of cycle in the wet with rubber block brakes- on a hill. In the dry- no idea, but that's where I learned my car braking/anticipation skills from . With rubber blocks, it's a mix of good front end braking and poor rear end brakes. Till rain strikes. But in Weepyland, rain is not a problem .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on