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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:04 
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:roll: seems to have been the battle cry of both CW and C+ as police have refused to provide a police presence at many an event even if the organisers are prepared to foot the bill!


Err... it is a matter of resources and we do need the officers out there to "catch real criminals" after all :bunker: (we do do a bit more than cop nowty drivers, binge on doughnuts dunked in mugs of tea.. (mmmmm!)

But I do agree - if we police football matches - then we should also provide the same support for other sporty events.

But Roger St Pierre is worried that this signal the demise of cycling road races and sportives - and is concerned that "elf n safety" will clobber another traditional sport.

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We can argue that cars with one occupant take up as much space as 4 cyclists riding two abreast, and creating more emmissions :roll; - even we have stoked up on bread pudding and baked beans befor the ride


:? No fig rolls then :lol:

Oh 'ere we go... :popcorn:

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The motoring lobby and parlaimane consider us to be a damn nuisance whenver we choose to ride in anything but single file, even though it's not ilegal to do so unless creating a serious obstruction



I think it's more common sense and courtesy :popcorn: I have no problem in dropping back or overtaking my riding partner dependent on the traffic condition as it unfolds in that second. It's no real problem. Just a matter of taking full account of the road situation and risk assessing all the time.. just as I do when driving.


But then comes this gem ...

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With time trials already forced off trunk roads - ratehr sensibly one must admit - bunched road racing is now under serious pressure.

Traffic calming measures, Sunday car boot sales and congestion around garden centres and out-of town shopping malls have forced th abandonment of many polular courses and now th police are putting some of a#our key events in jeopardy by refusing to provide a police presence [/quote}

Um :shock: though they wanted "traffic calming measures!" :bunker:

But as said - it's more the problem of providing the staff . Apart from that many of these officers will be using a "rest day" - which means overtime rates :roll:

There's also as TVP are quoted the safety element...

Yes - I do accept Roger St Pierre's point that

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statistically - whether on a closed or open road - a competitor in a British road race is less likely to be involved in an incident than any other road user


But .. as we've seen from ed's story from Oz.. road rage is a very real and increasing danger out there :roll: All we need is one idiot and all events from a local rambling WI walk to a local Rose Queen parade need a full risk assessment on the o#part of the organisers these days - for insurance purposes.


Of course, it is worrying that the Wessex Premier Calendar and Archer GP both had to be cancelled because police could not or would not provide essential cover - especially when these have been annual events for the past 50 years or so :roll: and insurers will not insure if health and safety requirements - such as safe controls are not met. :banghead:

The main worry though for Roger St Pierre is that

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If road racing gets the squeeze today - it will be sportives next .. and after that it will be forbidden to ride in any kind of bunch on the roads - spelling the end of club runs and even th Sunday ride with friends


:popcorn:

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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:36 
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Off again :roll:


This time CW are annoyed over the £10K police invoice for policing the 53rd Lincoln. :popcorn:

The race used to be 100 miles - but reduced to 86 miles because :roll:

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The police want to get off earlier..



They also have a go at Sunday shopping 'cos it interferes with the start time.. :roll:

Anyway - the race organiser claims that it costs them

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£55 per copper for a minimum of 8 hours (the race was over in three and a half hours..,. ) It does not cost the police anything to do this. They are not paid overtime. They just get a day off in lieu



And holiday time is still PAID time .. :popcorn: So it DOES cost the police cash here and why some forcs will charge the going rate for the job.. :popcorn:

organiser of the race in CW wrote:

It means all he does is chase sponsors so as to pay for the police charges. And any MP who calls to ban Sunday shopping will get his vote...

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But.. :popcorn: it does cost to provide police services at these events and when we deploy officers to do this - the opportunity cost will be the member of the public whose burglary does not get "sorted" :popcorn: etc.. etc .. etc.. :roll: :P

OK .. can go along with CW campainging for local authorities to co-operate more fully with assisting race prmotion

CW campaigns for a common and reasonably policy of police charges. (Not always possible as each Force will have different demands on normal budgets and we cannot all do this for "free". In fact the ones that do - do have an allowance in their budget which provides for the high profile events :popcorn:

CW campaings for marshals empowered to stop the traffic to allow the race to continue safely . (Have no problems with this.. but who does the training :popcorn: - there will still be a cost here :roll:)

CW campaigns for the legislative section of the 1960 Cycle racing on the Highways Reg brough in line with the Home Office's Good Practice Guide For Small Events on the highway. (AGREE with this as it will make life easier :wink:) :bighand:

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