weepej wrote:
Stand near any pelican crossing in London to witness this behaviour first hand.
That's funny, I live in London and only today repeatedly used a pelican crossing (on a very busy road); there were no such problems.
weepej wrote:
And certainly anywhere where a pedestrain is still on a crossing at a junction whent he traffic light goes amber/green. For a start motocyclis sit there revving their engines to warn peds to get off the cross/not to start crossing when the light for the other jucntion goes amber, let alone when their one goes amber.
Well, pedestrians should not start crossing then their light stops being a constant green (those already on the crossing can continue); they should wait for the next phase - this is in the HC.
weepej wrote:
I travel for an hour through London on a pushbike, I see this all the time.
I had a word with a skip driver only the other week for aiming his truck at people still on the crossing, had one of then fallen or stumbled (likely, they were scarpering out of his way) he would've run them over for sure.
One of the worst episodes I saw is when a group of school children were crossing, they were scattered to the four winds with cars still coming at them as they huddled in groups in the road, some of the accompanying teachers were left crying by the side of the road.
That's 'hardly all the time'.
Like I already alluded to, I don't doubt there is the odd twonk who is inconsiderate/selfish (perhaps they're never around where I am), but would they be that way if our roads weren't so poorly managed? Speed cameras will stop them, wait, sorry I meant trafpol! I'm kinda used to having one replaced with the other!
weepej wrote:
And let's not start on people in/on vehicles/bikes aiming at people who are still on the zebra crossing hoping they're not going to be there when they get to it.
I admit that a lot of drivers don't know when they should yield at these crossings, but we're not talking about zebra crossings.
weepej wrote:
You've got a problem there. There are crossings in London where if you showed a red light to road users whilst there were still people on the crossing you might as well not install a green light if you get what I mean.
Even I think making road users wait four or five hours before being allowed to continue is a bit over the top.
As I said before, there are always alternatives for those who look for them. Obviously such a scheme would have a timeout catering for the reasonably slowest pedestrian; after that flash the pedestrian man such that no-one else is allowed to start crossing.
If that fails then install pedestrian cameras This says nothing against the option of extending the 'pedestrian only' phase when people request it.
Needless impedance makes any person cranky, regardless of how they use the road.