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Or so says the Daily Mash

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

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“Maybe the solution is two separate roads. Or that everyone in the country cycles on a Tuesday.

MAYBE IT'S A BIT MORE TOLERANCE BETWEEN ALL ROAD USERS .SIMPLE - but not something that any civil servant can comprehend .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Nor is it within the comprehension of a large number of motorised road users

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Or those with heads in their rights ,rather than in looking for a safe way for all - to create harmony takes consent from all sides . And when motorists get attacked by biking lobbys ,they tend to stick by their rights .
PERHAPS IT'S TIME FOR ALL ON THE ROADS to look at their responsibilities to ALL other road users . ( And some posting on behalf of one group to realise that responsibility ) .
BTW - I cycled for a lot of years before I owned a car . Approx 16 . Then i drove .The some years later ,I cycled again -and saw the difference . Now I drive with a different perspective . I see the Chav lot -who dive on and off of the pavement ,dicing with death . And those who take the care to be seen ,and take care in wearing the right ( though comical ) gear . The latter group ,behave as AIM motorist would - a joy to behold . And if I see one ahead ,I treat them with respect . The Chav -I treat with comtempt, not knowing what they'll next get up to .
PERHAPS -it's time for the cycling lobby to get it's house in order :stop attacking motorists,and work together to make the roads a place to enjoy. AND for those championioning and whining on behalf of the poor cyclist to get up a platform and talk about road safety - road safety only occurs when ALL occupiers of the roads are intent on ensuring the safety of all ,and giving up all rights of way to see that we ensure the safety of all road users .
I've worked on the rail network for a lot of years - and the one phrase I 've always heard "We expect that ALL staff shoulf go home as fit as when they came to work".
PERHAPS that's the slogan we need to get over to ALL road users -no one has right of way - if the safety of others can be compromised .All road users are responbile for the safety of others .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

I have modified my original statement in the light of Bo's comments.


Nor is it within the comprehension of a substantial proportion of all road users

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Good thing too - maybe it's time for all road users to do everything in their power to maximise their own safety, rather than trying to blame others.

Not if doing so decreases the safety of others?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

He was agreeing to being tolerant and to look out for one's own safety - not saying at the cost to everyone else's ! No decrease in the safety of others was even hinted at, if anything the opposite, as ensuring one's own safety also ensures the safety of others to a degree, if one's is skilled, knowledgeable and have good abilities, along with good tolerance and attitude of course.

The World does seem to go through extremes of phases, and we do seem to be going through the OTT phase at the moment. In some years time it will return to 'normal' I am sure. Helping it get there a lot quicker is beneficial to all and certainly to road safety and to the otherwise lost lives!

Road Harmony doesn't sound impossible - does it ?

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It is very easy to envisage situations, on and off the road, where ones own safety can only be safeguarded at the expense of other peoples well-being. But the intended point is taken and agreed with

I think that many cyclists have the impression, rightly or wrongly, that many drivers put their own convenience ahead of the cyclist's safety - squeezing past when it isn't really safe to save a few seconds, ignoring advance stop lines for a quicker get-away at lights and so on. Which, I am sure you will agree, is down to training

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

As to whether bikes and cars are fundamentally incompatible: anyone who has been to Holland would have found evidence to the contrary

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Is that not achieved by a much higher degree of segregation than is normal in this country?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Partly but not entirely. Drivers seem to show a much greater concern for the safety of cyclists than do drivers in this country. And the fact that it is possible, with suitable measures, in one country or even on street of one city means that the incompatibility in not fundamental just difficult to deal with. I shall call it the law of conservation of road users.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Do cyclists in Holland show a much greater concern for the safety of other road users than do cyclists in this country?

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

I doubt that that would be possible

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

BUT NOT what I was trying to convey .
My idea was that safety in any context relies on ALL parties not demanding a right to priority tresatment, but REALISING that the safety of ALL is dependant on all parties loking out fro the well being of all and working toward that aim . Legislation cannot create a culture of looking out for the wellbeing of another road user better than a feeling of tresponsibility toward the safety of another .We need to see a culture of comradeship on the highways rather than a culture of antagonism and blame mongering .Strangely ,something that occurred before the safety partnerships started to preach their poisonous doctrine .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on