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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 01:00 
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a similar letter to one whinge which appeared a bit back in CW where the writer complained that a driver deliberately tried to knock him off his bike in Kent :shock:

Am a country bumpkin in reality and I don't ride in towns very often - but we do have some busier larger towns which can be challenging traffic wise. I drive in busy towns like Manchester - but it's beyond commute :wink:

Ben Green wrote about what he sees in Manchester per IG's CW letter thread - but this North Manchester cyclist throws another worrying slant on human behaviour in towns.

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A reader wrote how an idiot in a passing car screamed at her trying to scare her as she walked along the pavement. But this is no surprise to me.

As a commuting cyclist I have often been passed by these buffoons who shout as loudly as possible as close to your ear as they can. I presume the intention is to make you fall off and maybe under a vehicle.

How intelligent is that?

Interestingly - it is not the usual suspects - the young yobs - who are guilty of such inane conduct. when riding to and from work, I 've had abuse shouted at me by older people and even by children who are sitting in cars with their parents. Presumably mum and dad think their little darling is having a laugh. Some joke!


Hmm. can assure you that if any of ours did this - they'd be deprived of pocket money and personal freedom for some time. Sticking a tongue out at a talivan is one thing :lol: - and saying "nanananana - not clever to hide in the bushes" is within my rules - :lol: but hurling abuse at other road users and they'd be deprived of pocket money and personal freedom for some time. :x

Think we posted in past that one of the Swiss was cycling in her lunch break and a child in a car screamed abuse at her - and was absolutely gutted when Jessika arrived back at school, changed and then greeted the child with a detention - as insulted headteacher :twisted:

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I now expect and am used to such shouting from passing cars. The cigarettes, banana skins, plastic bottles and even a small brick :shock: :shock: :? thrown at me are harder to cope with. And all because I ride a bike.

Why for God's sake


Why indeed? :banghead:

I think if a brick or missile was thrown at me on regualr basis along this route - I'd be asking where the policemen are!

Hmm.... speed camera stops this ... hmmmmmm!

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But what on earth is making people behave like this? I'm sure it did not happen when I was a student in Manchester - and I did ride my bike to and from lectures and hospital practicals when I went down there from St Andrews....

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it certainly happens....
to me as well on occasions.


i think seeing a cyclist making better progress through the traffic irks some motorists a little :roll:


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OK, what I'm about to relate I in now way condone :twisted: !

Many, many years ago (whilst pumped up on adrenaline/testosterone)* I know someone who purposely ran down a 'pedestrian'.

*Hey, if women can use hormones as a defence....... :lol:

Whilst 'hauling ass' as best they could up a not insignificant road, a group of three 'young males' were walking down the pavement (UK), as the cycle approached (30') one of them wandered out into its path, cyclist moves over, numptie moves into path again (20'), cyclist moves back, F.Wit side steps (10'), cyclist goes F&*%? IT and keeps going. Both take a tumble (impact speed about 5mph), 'ped' :shock: DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE! Both get up, "what'd you do that for?"v's "what'dya think the pavements for?" - bet he never played chicken with a cyclist again.

I also know of an occasion when a cycling mate of mine (not same as above), was cut up on two sucessive LH turns by a female driver to the point of being forced to 'bunny hop'up the kerb to save from being squashed. At the next corner, he pulled alongside. Got off his bike and kicked the 'proverbial' out of her passenger door. She just gripped the steering wheel and did jack, he gets back on bike, and never heard anything about it. No police, no nothing. Well, imagine "Madam, why did the cyclist do this? Em... I kinda pushed him off the road at the last two corners."

I've also been 'road raged', to the point of being chased (by man in car) & assaulted. As most cyclist do, we stay to the left of the cariageway we are using at most given times. Now on a fantastic right hander, cambered, downhill, the works I loved to push the limits a la 'moto-GP'. High entry speed, lean all the way (sometimes clipped the road with SPD's if I was late it getting inside crank up) and power out. Usually 25mph ish as it was pretty tight. Now Mr A. Hole in escort cut inside me during the bend taking inside line, my exit speed was higher than his - I pulled ahead, (27/28mph) he stays just to my right/rear, at end of short road is RH turn, he's still behind, I look, signal & move. Not a happy bunny, next little R / L combo and a straight - he pulls in front & skids to halt (smoke everywhere), gets out and runs at me. I stop to half confront him/half can't be arsed running from a madman in a car. I'm thrown against a wall, only a couple of hundred yards from the police station! (Mr H) "WTF do you think you're playing at you little P!" (Me) "YOU cut me up on the corner, do you want to take this to the police" Mr H leaves & wheel spins on exit. I'm left with a few onlookers before I nip onto my local bike shop for a coffee.
Saying that, most of my car related incidents have 'just' been SMIDSY's, usually resulting in me sliding down the rear windscreen. Don't these eejits realise bikes can get up a reasonable speed, and we need space to stop too?


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ah yes... i've been forced onto the pavement by a white van too...


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Will add to Mad Doc's thread as this is a negative letter which appeared as the star in CW. It is a very disturbing letter and this is not just a cycling thing - we've all read of other incidents of Happy Slapping incidents in the papers. A sickening act - usually carried out by chav thickos with less than a microbe for a brain cell! :roll: :x :x :x :furious: :banghead:

Not had many reports of this kind of carry on in our patch as far as am aware - but then nowt like police presence popping up "sudenly and from nowhere" like the "ogre and genie" in the panto :wink: to deter :wink:

Star Letter in CW wrote:

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After the recent tragic news of yet another cyclist killed in an accident, I’m sure I’m not the only one who starts a training ride with a momentary thought if “I hope it doesn’t happen to me” feeling.

Unfortunately there seems to be a second and more sinister reason for some trepidation as I experienced for myself last weekend.

I was cycling down the A29 Sussex on a gloriously sunny afternoon when I was aware of a white car slowing alongside me and closing in on me!

I felt a very hard blow to the centre of my back – before the car accelerated away. The impact sent me over the bars and I could only catch sight of the white Fiesta speeding away. Unfortunately I could not get the number plate. :x

The front seat passenger was putting his left arm back into the car – holding what looked to me like a baseball bat. :? I notified Sussex police who took my statement.

Various office colleagues say there is an idiotic caper going around called the “Happy Slapping Club!” where these punks appear to drive around looking for targets – whether it be runners, pedestrians or cyclists. – filming it on mobile phones.

Everyone – please be careful out there – and report any incidents immediately.

I would be interested if any none else in the Sussex/Surrey area has experienced this type of assault whilst out riding.

Richard W.


Indeed.

Any form of road rage or assault - please report it to us. We cannot investigate and catch these people without public help, leads and support.

Works both ways though - cyclists who kick out at cars in retaliation of a perceived wrong (which may not be - :wink: ) - tis a form of road rage and we take all reports of this kind of behaviour seriously - and I am sure not just in our patch.

Hope Sussex catch these thugs and if anyone lurking or browsing knows anything or seen the occuapants of this car doing this to other people - please inform the police as all pieces of information help us nail thes guys.

Glad the writer was not injured - scary and nasty experience.

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Two more letters in CW in which some chap wroites that he was whacked on the backside with a rolled up newspaper :shock:

He gotr the reg nuimber but police were unable to siubastantiate a charge as his word against theirs. (Ah... we do need witnesses... :? )He reckons beining interviewd by the poice may make person think twice. but "does not hold his breath" :roll:

Well.. we are not allowed to be "nasty and shout at them these days" :wink:

He continues to say it's a prime examply of the yob culture . :yesyes: and is not hopeful that it will change.
However - this guy seems to imply motorists are yobs *he worrying claims to ex :bib:

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As an ex-police officer my strong adivce is to ignore bad behaviour by motorists asa to remonstrate will simply exaerbate the incident and you are more liley to be on the receiving end of their vehicle.


True - violence begets violence - my nit picking point :? :shock: :wink: is that he does not suggest that the yobs are a minority - and the minority spoil for majority.

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Another reports that pedestrians have been known to jump deliberately into road in front of cyclists. (Er - all drivers know the feeling - it's called j-walking! :roll: )


I do not know why we have this happy slapping craze - but suspect some internet sites, computer games and so on have influenced to some degree.

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In Gear wrote:
Another reports that pedestrians have been known to jump deliberately into road in front of cyclists. (Er - all drivers know the feeling - it's called j-walking! :roll: )

this is a bit different but at least you can usually spot them a mile off. If you spot a gang of teenage boys wandering around looking bored you can be sure that one of them is going to suddenly break out of the pack and run straight at you screaming.
That gag would be real funny if the cyclist swerved to avoid them and got mashed.


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Been a recent case whereby father was killed. :cry: As I understand the story (Manchester area and still being investigated per my brother and colleagues based there) - chap was riding with his young son. Kiddy swerved to avoid a pedestrian and the father apparently was yelling instructions to his son to avoid the danger and ended up losing his balance and tragically his helmet slipped in the fall and he caught the side of his head on the kerb. :cry: Think MM ran across the :( :( story in the Manchester paper a couple of weeks back as well - shall ask him to post or post a scan of the cutting when he's time.


But - yes I agree this craze of "Happy Slapping" has become a nightmare for us and it's a far worse crime than mugging purely because this is committed for the pure pleasure of causing harm. There are times when I think other cultures have the right idea....I am sure if they received justice Sinagapore style they would not be so eager to have a form of happy slapping on their bottoms! :wink:

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In Gear wrote:
Been a recent case whereby father was killed. :cry: As I understand the story (Manchester area and still being investigated per my brother and colleagues based there) - chap was riding with his young son. Kiddy swerved to avoid a pedestrian and the father apparently was yelling instructions to his son to avoid the danger and ended up losing his balance and tragically his helmet slipped in the fall and he caught the side of his head on the kerb. :cry: Think MM ran across the :( :( story in the Manchester paper a couple of weeks back as well - shall ask him to post or post a scan of the cutting when he's time.

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Was in Manchester Paper page two two weeks ago - happened on the Buxton Road out of Stockport. Youngster swerved to avoid a pedestrian and the father lost his balance and fell off - hitting his head on the kerb, He died later in Wythenshawe Hospital. Very very tragic case. :cry:

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