SafeSpeed wrote:
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nickcyclist wrote:
And, you’re right to complain about cyclist RLJ’s and say something should be done about them BUT, get it into proportion, PLEASE!
Did you see the website that inspired this thread? (1st post)
I think it's spot on... The voice of reasonable cyclists, working as a positive influence.
There are 'bad' road users in all groups in roughly similar proportions. It's up to good road users in all groups to try to put forward positive influences. One important message is that there's no 'them and us' - cyclists, pedestrians, motorists, bikers and truckers are all in it together.
Hi - I did look at the site and I wouldn’t disagree with a word of it.
As for “them and us”, as I said, I ride, drive, walk etc. and don’t see things like that and I think that’s the right attitude to have, we are all road users together.
I suppose the only “them and us” attitude I do have is “them” being people who use the roads badly/dangerously and have no respect for each other and “us” being those that are safer/observant and respectful of others.
As I said – I’m not anti motorist, but I dislike having my life put at risk when I’m on the road and I think I’m acutely more aware of my venerability when I’m cycling.
In pretty much every incident I’ve ever been involved in on my bike, the motorist, who has just done something wrong, invariable justifies their actions by claiming that it doesn't matter because I’m a cyclist – and all of them break the law etc
For example, I cycled through Twickenham last Friday. There is a junction outside the station. The light was red, I stopped in the ASL (sharing it with black cab!). The light changed to green, I set off, a car sped up and jumped the red to my left, and would have taken me out if I hadn’t taken avoiding action. As the driver entered into the bus lane outside the station, he leaned out of his window, made a rude gesture with his hand and said words to the effect that it made a difference he’d jumped a red because it was normally cyclists that did that. He drove off laughing.
I know that no one here would in any way support the actions of that idiot, BUT, on the two occasions where I told people what had happened (in the pub that evening and at work on Monday) their immediate action was to say that the driver did have a point and then went on to slag off cyclists in general. No one referred to his actions as being wrong.
My point is that most of us will see examples of poor to criminal behaviour on the road on most days – especially here in London. And I’m talking here about ALL road users. BUT my point is that when you look on the internet, read local and national papers, listen to radio phone-ins, watch local and national news, listen to everyone from MP’s to colleagues at work and friends down the pub etc, there is a disproportionate amount of anger and annoyance and time directed towards the behaviour of irresponsible cyclists.
There is, if you like, an attitude in society that cyclists are the biggest danger on the road, the cause of most accidents and that none of them have any respect for the rules etc. This attitude is used by SOME motorists to have a sort of carte blanche attitude toward me on my bike. That’s why I would like to redress the balance of opinion.
So, at the risk of sounding anti-motorist (which I’m not) I fully accept that some cyclists jump red’s and that they shouldn’t etc BUT that this debate should be balanced and that the actions of a few stupid cyclists shouldn’t be blown out of all proportion.