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the late Freddy Mercury in that Queen Classic wrote:

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They want to ride their bikes
They want to ride their bicycles
The want to ride them how they likes


:rotfl: :shock: :shock:

What am I on about? :shock: Is it the heat? :? :shock:

My colleagues in Brighton this morning and in London this afternoon are going to be a bit busy and it is not even a Critical Mass effort :shock:


In a bid to get cyclists noticed .. and boy - they are sure gonna be noticed

line from another daft song in the 70s about a streak wrote:
" Look at that Look at that !

Don't Look Ethel!"



Bums are going to get a little saddle sore.. as ...

scores of cyclists take to their bikes today and ride naked around Brighton and London in a bid to promote cycling!

Somehow - I do not think it will catch on... :roll:

One lady planning to take part in the Brighton one said on the radio

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You are supposed to ride as bare as you dare. Police have already warned they will arrest anyone they think as being indecently exposed


Looks like the cells down there will be heaving then! :wink:

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In Gear wrote:
the late Freddy Mercury in that Queen Classic wrote:

They want to ride their bicycles
They want to ride their bikes
They want to ride their bicycles
The want to ride them how they likes


:rotfl: :shock: :shock:

What am I on about? :shock: Is it the heat? :? :shock:

My colleagues in Brighton this morning and in London this afternoon are going to be a bit busy and it is not even a Critical Mass effort :shock:


In a bid to get cyclists noticed .. and boy - they are sure gonna be noticed

line from another daft song in the 70s about a streak wrote:
" Look at that Look at that !

Don't Look Ethel!"



Bums are going to get a little saddle sore.. as ...

scores of cyclists take to their bikes today and ride naked around Brighton and London in a bid to promote cycling!

Somehow - I do not think it will catch on... :roll:

One lady planning to take part in the Brighton one said on the radio

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You are supposed to ride as bare as you dare. Police have already warned they will arrest anyone they think as being indecently exposed


Looks like the cells down there will be heaving then! :wink:


I feel sorry for your colleagues beavering away :twisted:


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This appeared in the Manchester press tonight! :shock:

Actually I think I am appalled. Look I am no prude - as a medic - seen more sights than most and human body does not hold any "mystique" - apart from my wife's of course :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

Cold water ... ! :shock: :P :wink:

But these people should be aware of the offence they could have caused. These are towns - mid afternoon.

I DO NOT SUPPOSE THEY CONSIDERED FOR ONE SMALL MOMENT THE EFFECT ON SMALL CHILDREN.

Especially children such as the ones I foster and I adopted one. Children who had a particularly bad experience..

Do these people really think that indecently exposing themselves to little kids and old ladies will promote cycling?

It's not being a prude - it's about acceptable decen behaviour and cycling in the nuddy with all the wobbly bits a- wobbling on a Saturday afternoon in a town centre where KIDS - YOUNG KIDS are around just ain't on at all.

Oh and look at any cycling site and there's always this allegation that people in cars "do not think of children."

Well - I think they think more of all children than perverts who decide to cycle naked for self gratification. This stunt had :censored: all to do with "making people aware of "vulnerability on two wheels"

I think it would have got message across better if they's all worn body armour from head to toe to show how much a risk they are from cars to be honest!

Sorry - but this has to be said.

This was a SICK and SICKENING stunt. No thought as to this could have affected a child.

How the hell do you know if the child or adult you rode past has a "dark past" which they want to forget?

Selfish beyond belief and if I were a cop - I would not have been escorting - I'd have been locking up. Oh forgot - PEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE CEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GMP :roll:


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I feel sorry for your colleagues beavering away :twisted:

Oh that's so dam funny.... ;)

Also, I think there's far worse things to be seen than naked people, in Brighton anyway! Last time I was there I saw some gay ladies mud wrestling...

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Nay/.. I think the mud wrestlers ist less obscene than indecent exposure.

The difference with the mud wrestlers .. you could choose if you wanted to go to watch. No doubt you had to pay some kind of spectator fee.

This was different. This was indecent exposure und if that nude walker who try to walk lenght of country in the nuddy was jailed - then these persons should have been too. Also the woman who was prosecuted for nude sunbathing in garden.. she only escaped "indecency" conviction because she did not venture to fully frontal view in front garden.

This was not a protest by cyclists but by perverts who had scant regard for human decency or small kids. If you want to be in the nuddy - there are some areas for nudism - but town centres ist not one of them.

Also - no bruises on these bodies ..

If they wanted to show how "vulnerable" they are on road .. then perhaps a ride in full body armour on hottest day of year may have evoked guilt/sympathy feelings.

However, I bet no one would have turned up to ride in the nude on a normal wet June afternoon. Und I hope they wore some sun block. Areas which do not get exposure ... well they do burn all the more when so exposed.. :wink:

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The difference with the mud wrestlers .. you could choose if you wanted to go to watch. No doubt you had to pay some kind of spectator fee.

Oh no, this was in Preston Park. It just got muddy what with all people there for Brighton Pride. :)
I even saw a naked man! :o

I've never really seen the problem with naked bodies. We've all got one. Sure some are more attractive than, say, mine, but banning human nakedness seems strange when noone complains about other animals being naked. I personally don't like the look of some monkey's bums but they appear on daytime TV.

And if you really don't want your kids to see strangeness like this then you might want to aviod taking them to Brighton... ;)

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The difference with the mud wrestlers .. you could choose if you wanted to go to watch. No doubt you had to pay some kind of spectator fee.

Oh no, this was in Preston Park. It just got muddy what with all people there for Brighton Pride. :)
I even saw a naked man! :o

I've never really seen the problem with naked bodies. We've all got one. Sure some are more attractive than, say, mine, but banning human nakedness seems strange when noone complains about other animals being naked. I personally don't like the look of some monkey's bums but they appear on daytime TV.


There ist a difference und one ist that we have a law about indecent exposure. Human culture ist being clothed. If this was case we should be nude in offices und so on. But we are not. We are aware of bodies und allure these bodies carry - und we strut our stuff fully clothed und in way which feed the imagination . Sassy clothes are sexier und racier und true ladies und gents dress in style which does not flaunt but subtly hints at sassiest goodies to come hither und thither :eheh: THAT ist why we are different to animals. We have crime of indecent exposure .. und it carries JAIL TERM und NOT fine.

Children have a right not to be protected from all this. I have no problem with the kittens skinny dipping in back garden in our pool... but I would not allow them to do this at Fell Foot or the seaside.

I do not think any of them would want to either.


We also have a problem in this country with kiddy fiddlers iund these same pervs play on this word to try to convey idea that blipping over a speed limit ist obscene... yet these same arrogant PERVERTS will ride a bike in nude in front of these same kids. You do not know people und whilst you may not have a "problem" with a naked person indulging in self gratification .. those who have had great trauma from adult abusing them will be sickened und frightened by this.

You have never seen a child shudder und wet herself or sat through a night watching her nightmares as a result of someone foisting themselves on her.. Try fostering one - you will find out all about life! :furious: Then work out the effects of going to Manchester with her friends on her on that day :censored: PERVERTS!

We adopted her. She was abused by a relative und the natural parents literally fell apart und disintegrated emotionally as result und they could not cope. She still has contact with them ..as ist important to her to keep this contact. Ist her decision. We support her.


Most of our fosters are long term of one-two years as well. Ist to get stability into these young lives as far as possible und we get "difficult projects" .


Nein - Liebchen - have zero time for this kind of idiocy und if the walker (who met few on his rural walks) ended up in jail - then so should these ZEROS of people in a town centre. At least there were only 30 of them in each city .. which tells you a lot about the mentality of majority and the loony minority :roll:

By comparison .. fully kitted out on Sunday - well over a hundred REAL RED BLOODED UND FIT people who know how to ride a bike for the whole distance und not just a short jolly up Deansgate und around Picadilly Gardens rode to Blackpool und back to raise money for Cancer research that same weekend!


These same people will be riding tfor HIV und BHF. Because my sister-in law und husband und my big sister und her husband were riding these.

These people got louder cheers und LOTS of photos on their ride... und more support for cycling no doubt.

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And if you really don't want your kids to see strangeness like this then you might want to aviod taking them to Brighton... ;)


They were not in Brighton. Brighton arrested people. This was Manchester. Und I did not know this was case. My daughter had gone to see a show there with a school pal und her family. She was most distraught when she returned.. This ist the child we adopted und have spent years und time und effort trying to get over a trauma of which you cannot ever comprehend.

We are a civilised culture und cavorting around nude "to make people aware of cyclists" just ist not on. Humans have evolved to beyond bestial behaviour.

Only man whose warm hands I feel "walking around my body" belong to my husband und I think he ist only person to whom I bestow this privilege. I dress so that men mentally undress me as their eyes follow me :hehe: .. ist much sassier und erotic

Ist also refined und civilised :wink:

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Ziltro wrote:
I've never really seen the problem with naked bodies.

amazing isn't it. Every time kids turn on a tv they can see people getting blown up/axe murdered whatever, wars, famine, you name it, not a peep from parents. A few tits, arses and other assorted bits and you'd think the world was about to end. People are weird.


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Especially when all children spend most of their first six months with a face full of breast, and many cannot help stripping off all their clothes when they are too hot and running around naked (like my niece used to do). Victorian prudity and its associated legal relics needs to fade into history - it is not traditional human culture as there are many cases from history where full nudity was accepted - such as the ancient Olympic Games, and for the vast majority of the population going for a swim meant wearing nothing until the 20th century as they couldn't afford swimming costumes. I'm not saying that we should all run around naked all the time, but the occasionally bit of nudity should be accepted without question.


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... Humans have evolved to beyond bestial behaviour.

Sorry Wildcat, but as your earlier example demonstrates, they haven't.

And that is before we start with violence, such as riots and especially wars. The program about the CIA last night on Sky 1 was especially shocking when it revealed their involvement in starting and maintaining wars all over the planet, and propping up of evil dictatorships, but really sank down when the topic of "Wet Jobs" came up - in one single conflict the CIA ordered the assassination of 20,000 people, and the grand total of people killed as a direct result of CIA action and missspent USA tax dollars is uncountable, but must be in the tens of millions.


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johnsher wrote:
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I've never really seen the problem with naked bodies.

amazing isn't it. Every time kids turn on a tv they can see people getting blown up/axe murdered whatever, wars, famine, you name it, not a peep from parents. A few tits, arses and other assorted bits and you'd think the world was about to end. People are weird.



Ist not the same thing und we can turn off the telly. Wars und famine realities of life und of course they see these poverty stricken people who cannot afford clothing either.

But the news reporting ist on screen - detached. Ist not physically being there und seeing it with their own experience. They are in family home und can look to parent for protection if "too scary" for them to handle.

This was a much different issue. This was people indecently exposing themselves und I can bet had it been raining or a cold wind - not one would have turned up. You suffer for a principle und hence - cyclist having to don body armour und roast on road would have alerted much more closely to "danger/vulnerabilty" as this ist showing that they feel "threatened" Wearing nothing show that there ist no threat from even a bit of road rash. It was just a gratuous und fatuous act of the same self righteosu holier than thou arrogance which Mr Havers so eloquently commented upon in the "Waily und Indy"

There ist such a thing as decency und respect for other people. Forcing the sight of their rather lumpy blobby bodies was not within this scope of decency.

Films with nude scenes are usually after watershed und all have PG/18 ratings.

Exposing oneself outside a nudist area ist still a crime - und children und the vulnerable und society at large have the right to expect people to be wearing clothes in public und not be subjected to the sights of people making complere @:censored:es of themselves. One of those males apparently was "erect" per the shocked parents in charge of my daughter's trip to the big 'burb!

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Especially when all children spend most of their first six months with a face full of breast,


Oh - well what about the woman who was cautioned for breastfeeding on a park bench then?

Or the woman who was told she cannot breast feed in a restaurant or cafe?

Or ist it ONE rule for arrogant twats on bikes und another for everyone else.

Why do people pander to this arrogant minority of thugs on bikes?

By the way... I did manage to discreetly feed my youngest whilst in one of the "Lucy" places here. But ist "art form" und practical dressing style which mean I could do so without drawing attention to this... und Mad Doc und older kittens did make a "screen" too. Other than that - I was expected to feed the youngest in the loo.

But if a woman using her breasts for way they intended ist threatened with fine und arrest - then why the hell were these people allowed to ride indecently exposing themselves to other people.

People have right not to be subjected to this when shopping in town when all ist said und done. Mother feeding child on booby .. breast ist not really on show as baby's head ist in way und to all intents und purposes a casual glance when I was feeding Rachael looked like I was cradling und rocking her in my arms.

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and many cannot help stripping off all their clothes when they are too hot and running around naked (like my niece used to do).


I allow them to run around und skinny dip in pool at home. Mad Doc bought me this pool as I like to swim ... but am very self conscious still about those scars which run from left shoulder to groin. Und also water exercises helped my recovery as the water provide sort of "cushion" und support.

I do not allow the kittens to strip to nuddy at Fell Foot .or beach. the boys wear trunks und a lot of sun block und my youngest has frilliest pair of panties und a lot of sun block. Holidays in Italy und France.. we do not ever see children on beach without stylish costumes.

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Victorian prudity and its associated legal relics needs to fade into history - it is not traditional human culture as there are many cases from history where full nudity was accepted - such as the ancient Olympic Games,


We are not in Ancient Greece or Ancient Rome.

People did not sunbathe either. This phenomenum occur when the Victorians discovered STEAM power und trips to seaside. Und they designed some swimwear.


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and for the vast majority of the population going for a swim meant wearing nothing until the 20th century as they couldn't afford swimming costumes.


I think you may find that they did not have baths und clothing was usually stitched on und never removed -per the V&A museum und a couple of others.

I think yu may also find that wealthier households did have an outfit which they reserved for swimming. But I think you may find majority did not swim as they did not have swimming pools und lakes, rivers und seas were for fishing und sailing. Swimming was not a pastime und perhaps something they did to get from one side of a river to another.


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I'm not saying that we should all run around naked all the time, but the occasionally bit of nudity should be accepted without question.


But this was nudity in the middle of an afternoon in a busy town centre where people were shopping und going about their business.

This was not frolicking with a bucket und spade on a beach in innocent play under watchful eye of parents. Nor was this something on the telly which can be switched off.

This was blatant indecent exposure to people und a disruption to the town centre as well - since it held up traffic und buses too. (Picadilly Gardens ist a bus station apparently)

Ist typical of the selfish arrogant louts .. und only 30 took part.. not all in nude. So I do not think it got that much support in reality. Was a sick stunt!

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Rewolf wrote:
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... Humans have evolved to beyond bestial behaviour.

Sorry Wildcat, but as your earlier example demonstrates, they haven't.

And that is before we start with violence, such as riots and especially wars. The program about the CIA last night on Sky 1 was especially shocking when it revealed their involvement in starting and maintaining wars all over the planet, and propping up of evil dictatorships, but really sank down when the topic of "Wet Jobs" came up - in one single conflict the CIA ordered the assassination of 20,000 people, and the grand total of people killed as a direct result of CIA action and missspent USA tax dollars is uncountable, but must be in the tens of millions.



The pee cee culture seem to undermine human decency .. :roll:

Und as for CIA .... und the manipulation of creating a nightmare politics to justify a police state (which ist not far removed from a nanny state.. ) - ist not so much the "bestial gene" but the genetic predisposition to bully und control ...through "instilling fear" into others.

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and they say Europeans are more enlightened than Americans!


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Depends on the European and the American I suppose Johnsher.

For the record, this European doesn't have any problem with naked people riding around on bikes!

I think there are more offensive things out there than the naked human body (mind you that Donatello and his "David", jeez, THAT was offensive!).


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Depends on the European and the American I suppose Johnsher.

For the record, this European doesn't have any problem with naked people riding around on bikes!

I think there are more offensive things out there than the naked human body (mind you that Donatello and his "David", jeez, THAT was offensive!).


Do you mean the statue in Florence?

I do not find David offensive - he ist a statue...

However, riding around naked on a bike in a town centre ist indecent behaviour.

Like other nursing mamas - we are not allowed to breast feed in public und this ist a lot more discreet und certainly not as offensive as fully frontal und rearal riding on a bicycle in a town centre.

As said -- one of these males in Manchester was "erect". I had a daughter in that town on that day und both these 13 year old girls und parents were shocked by this. As said above -- this child ist the one we adopted. She was very very distressed as a result of that und that ist the other point... you do not know what effect that thoroughly thoughtless action has on ohter people. You do not know what might be in a past or bad experience they may have had.

There are LAWS in this country about indecent exposure but it seems that some people on bikes are so arrogant that they think they can do what they want - and yet scream most abusively und self righteously at a driver because they happen to drive at 40 mph on a 40 mph road und cyclist did not like being overtaken! Und also moan because a red light mean they have to slow up. Well I was at a red light this morning. I was in a line of traffic. It let 5 cars through und changed. I was car number 6 und had just moved up the gears. So I had to stop. The cyclist behind me went through und narrowly missed the person who had been waiting to turn right und started to make move as he saw lights change. The cyclist kicked the car und screamed abuse. I had my smallest sons in the car at the time und they heard all this. I had to change subject rapidly when they asked me what a f:censored: :censored: c:censored: was!

My sons aged 8 und 6 also asked where his whoo-whoos und do-dahs were! My daughter replied that she could tell them where she thinks their do-dahs should be ... but that Mama would claw her as ist rudey! :o :o :shock: Und her friend who was with her on Saturday added that in her opinion - most of them did not have much to offer in the size of their do-dahs und that it does not take big balls to run a red light or ride naked .. just a pea sized brain cell to match. :wink:


Und in any case .. am not European ..am Swiss! We voted against Europe. I think I now know why the Swiss decide to keep conscription... ist to defend country against rudey cyclists :P :rotfl:

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WildCat wrote:
we are not allowed to breast feed in public

I'm confused, how can you possibly regard breast feeding in public as decent given your feelings about (a few relatively small bits of) the human body?


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I'm confused, how can you possibly regard breast feeding in public as decent given your feelings about
(a few relatively small bits of) the human body?


Because this ist not full exposure of all the family jewels. Ist using booby as nature intend - as functional piece of anatomy und not a sex focus.

Und you can do this very discreetly. Ist different if you rip off jumper und bra. But I wore button blouses und dresses. I could just undo button und I chose frilliest bra which had clasp which undo at front. (I like to feel feminine - und nice foundation clothes make outfit sass out! :D Sexy Sassiness ist not in letting it all hang out.. ist in making imagination run a riot :twisted: Real men und wimmin have this knack :wink: :D :wink: ) A bit of discreet positioning und baby ist stowed up with quality "clever" milk (who need added Omega 3 :wink: - this milk ist designed to make brain grow!) und no one notice it at all. It just look like I cradle und cooo at kitten. :lol: Baby ist in way of the booby - so you do not get biggest glance of a nipple even.

Relatively small? :shock: You should not be giving such details like that.. :shhh: :P I think I must think all blokes are as well made as Mad Doc then :lol:

But seriously... ist still indecent exposure to ride or pose around with no clothes on.

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WildCat wrote:
Because this ist not full exposure of all the family jewels.

no, but as long as we're being pedantic, it is still exposure.

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Ist using booby as nature intend - as functional piece of anatomy und not a sex focus.

there's nothing sexual about nudism either.

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I think I must think all blokes are as well made as Mad Doc then

maybe he should change his name to tripod then.

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But seriously... ist still indecent exposure to ride or pose around with no clothes on.

whatever you do, don't go to Holland or you'll end up in therapy for years.


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Or many of the quieter holiday areas in France, such as the Gorge d'Ardeche that I and 12 other scouts paddled our canoes down one summer. France has many nudist areas, and with no obvious warning signs they are very easy to stumble across by mistake.


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