Case in this week's CW (gather on their forum as well
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I have to say that whilst I do sympathise and understand exactly what Dan is saying - I have to at least look at the other criteria. I have only one side of the story in reality and I know that decisions to prosecute are not taken lightly nor on a whim. They are certainly not decided on "prejudice" and I still wonder if we have all the established "facts". I say this because I know that no cyclist would ever be prosecuted for adopting a primary between a half mile stretch between two roundabouts - path or no path - up in this area and I cannot even imagine myself doing so as Trapol - in the Met or GMP - with whom I have served in the past.
No disrespect intended but..
I am thus perplexed and prone to think that something is missing from the jigsaw - especially when Dan says the positioning was not the issue and that the cycle path was not a major part of the case against him - yet the judge apparently convicted on the path issue -and we have no legal provision to insist on this. As far as the law is concerned - cyclists have the same rights as horse riders and pedestrians to be on the highway. All in the legal and police professions should know this (and I also know that it's covered in the syllabus for police exams as well
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So - am still a little suspicious that some factor is missing in the general equation , but still on Dan's side - even if he thinks otherwise because of some hard "cynical" questions. Al I can say is .. am trying to get him to see and be prepared for such cynicism. It will help if he can counter the sceptics in the court.
Photo in CW depicts a typical country lane.sadly subjecitve and yet underpins fact that I had a photo of this road - but not necessaily the bit in question here It is NOT the road stretch in question as there is not one sign of double whites, two lanes for the uphill and the cycle path to the left of this opposite stretch f carriageway. It does sho the white kerbside lanes by the hedgegrows on the country lane - but I would have been happier with the piece if they had depicted a similar road style to the one described. I might upload some similar -ish ones from across the family and if Andreas and his chum do take a recce - I would expect them to give me photos and a video to upload of their lycra clad bums riding the road there
Er - what seems to - er stick in the lycra guts is the fact that the judge who found Daniel "guilty of the non -existent crime of not using a cyle path is none other than
DA - DA DARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
EH?
The judge who decided that a cop could test out his car at speeds of 159 mph and a few other speeds in an urban area.
Dan - before you get upset - no - do not condone or support in reality. I did post on here at the time that our patch would take a dim view of any officer who did such a thing. We can only "test" our cars on an authorised training session here. That's the policy and a full audit is taken of the planned routes before hand. We have a duty of care to those we serve and we take it pretty darned seriously here. As do most police forces.
However, Dan - as we said - the judge saw video evidence of the officer's drive. It was at that speed for a few metres and not full out for miles. Yes - we do test out our cars. We have to. We do not know what sorrt of idiot we may have to try to stop before he does serious damage and we have to do so with our safety and the safety of others - including the yob in the stolen car as well. But - training is a serious matter in our patch. Mad Doc commented that we spend on nice cars and there is an implied criticism that our fleet would be all the larger with Fords and Vauxhalls and Skodas. Nothing wrong with any of those perfomance cars by the way - but we have a very serious biker problem and we have the fleet of cars and bikes which can outpace our brnad of idiot on our particular roads. Fully manned team out there and we do concentrate on pulling the truly dangerous.
Back to topic - Dan. We told you to get a photo of the danger involved in reachig that cycle lane and to take a photo of its normal state. This covers you. The other ace - as we have said repeatedly is the simple fact that you have no legal requirement to use any cycle lane. The fact that it's on the opposite side of the road shoul be another plus for you. Photos help clarify - am surpised you did not supply any in the first place. Please do take them. I assure you they help. After all - my colleagues to the North did use a helicopter to get hard evidence of the dangers in the "apple case" - and I made a post of my own experiment in the driveway of my home holding an apple. By posting albeit an anecdote of my own experience of the difficulty of making a very simple manoeuvre - an me a Hendon grad - I managed to at least show to this board that the decision to prosecute that woman was not
completely "mad"
So photos work!
Take a few and then work with your defence to decide the best ones for your case.
The good news is that a retrial is planned for the Crown Court based on the judge;s comments - he did not judge on the finding of fact.
Hmm! We posted this up immediately and suggested Dan appealed on this basis in any case. Hope the safespeed board was helpful and we do wish Dan the very best on this.
So Dan - take photos of this road and the path. Do NOT defend on a "rights soapbox".
Do NOT confuse the court with a load of "expert" waffle.
JUST
1. Point out the LAW which say you do not have to use the path.
2. Point out the danger of reaching and riding the path with a photo
3. Calmly and without "puttin anyone in their place" - simply explain why a primary position was safer for you in a short half mile stretch and for the route you intended to follow.
4. Take a photo of the road and the lane markings. If the argument is "to the leftof the line marking the carriageway" - show a photo of this marking and point out the lunacy of this brand of logic without an "attitude of putting soemone in their place" Keep it cool and calm. It gives you a professional eaand credible edge Dan.
Please believe me when I say that my above posts were not intended to be "critical of you" - but you must accept and be prepared for some very "below the belt" questions which will try to tie you in knots.
Dan - please stick around. Do post on here. If any answers to you seem unduly "provacative" - please be aware that I am not being rude or unpleasant - but trying to get your response calm, fluent and convincing.
A nodding dog forum will indeed boost your confidence Dan - but that's all very well.
The bottom line is that you face a CPS who also likes to win. You need to be equipped for the hard and very nasty questions.
We really would like to help and we assure we are on your side - and we can help by being that horrid awkward so and so you will meet as the prosecutor.
Give us the facts as you see them. If we reply in a fashion which appear s "unsympathetic" - please read as "trying to help you by focussing your mind on your countr defence"
I do hope this will sound fair enough to you and end all the silliness on a certain cycling website as regards the Swiss, myself, Mad Doc and alll who support Paul and the AB.
For record - I try to post common sense values . safety values, and uphhold the law in all my posts here. I cannot be seen to condone law breaking - but I still feel that a sympathetic ear, an open insight into poliuve officers as normal family human beings, and a personal belief in the value of professional discretion does keep open a sense of trust in the public I try to serve and protect and respect.
Dan - very naturally I'll support my Telford colleagues in a bid to get your "witness statement", testimony on the stand fluent and conviincing.
Pelase forget that I am related to Kriss and Mike and Andreas and whatever "baggage" you have from a certain forum. On here you have me< Ted and sometimes Vrenchen .. and we are very different from the Kriss, Mike and Andreas who decided to attack a chav type troll who can post 24/7 - mostly unoriginal cut and paste in a style which fails to give any credibility to the rather sad and ineffecttice personality who can only spice up his pathetic lifestyle by equally pathetically petty posts om sites which very few take mich note of.
- and yet still claim to have ridden the Tourmalet umpteen times .
Let's just say that the ABD and Paul Smith make it to the tabloid press. I cannot ever recall when any C+. CW or acf article made "headlines"
Not meant in the way some may choose to read it.
But be honest..
Does C+ et al make it to the mainstream tabloids as the likes of Clarkson, Gregory, MMC, Paul?
So .. dismount high cycling saddles. We may drive and enjoy driving cars - but we all wak - l and some of us so-called " car crazed persons" enjoy a good walk, ride bikes and horses.
We want fair play and safety and justice for all whjo use our roads. We all want the truly dangerous who threaten our lives to face the correct punishing and correcting punishments as well.
We also seek to work with, negotiate, share and drive and ride with courteous COAST skills at all times too.
Franklin does show the principles of COAST in action on a diagram on page 52 in his book. He shows by way of diagram - a very significant COAST scenario. It's still COAST.
As described and debated on this site
But I do hope Dan wins throuhg and if he wants to sharpen his polite replies to prosecution.. we will try to help by being the nasty thorn and stress to Dan - on assumption he will stick with us - that harsh as we may appear at times - we are really trying to help him.