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FJSRiDER wrote:
'That guy'? From what the article(s) tell us it looks like it is taken the same journal aricle.

You lot need a serious dose of reality if you think you can pick apart any research from a couple of newspaper reports. :roll:


He concluded that van drivers were a 'proven danger' because they pass, on average, 4 inches closer. That is only about the width of your hand, and they were still leaving over 4 feet of space. It was an absurd conclusion.


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FJSRiDER wrote:
Your opinion of the research is based on a couple of newspaper articles.

Mine isn’t.
As I already said, I know of no such sensor or possible method (especially bike mounted) that can determine/control the distance from the side of the road (as well as the riding style), and you can believe me when I say I know sensors!!!

I needn't bother mentioning the other variables that will exist!


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.... i detect no difference in driver treatment between my usual lycra helmet wearing self and the few occasions i dont wear a helmet or cycling in civvies.

driver responses in all cases on all my bikes range from annoyingly cautious to yes, apparently not actually being able to see you exist.


i think smeggy is suggesting that this chaps 'research' is no more or less valid than my personal observation above.


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He concluded that van drivers were a 'proven danger' because they pass, on average, 4 inches closer. That is only about the width of your hand, and they were still leaving over 4 feet of space. It was an absurd conclusion.

actually the reporting was far more biased than that because in order to prove the WVM theory the car samples were limited to black cars only (and it goes without saying that black car drivers are safe :wink: ).


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I needn't bother mentioning the other variables that will exist!

So are you suggesting that drivers can't actually see (and make distinctions between) certain types of cyclists and that, apparently in this case, helmeted riders are given less due care and attention than unhelmeted ones?

You, sir, are an idiot!

I insinuated no such thing. You are publicly demonstrating that your logic is as daft as that given in the interview.

Grow up!


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i think smeggy is suggesting that this chaps 'research' is no more or less valid than my personal observation above.

smeggy cannot know as he hasn't read it.

I can know because of my knowledge in the relevant area (do I really need to repeat myself again?). There is no way the experimenter can control the significant variables.

Do you really not understand this?


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FJSRiDER wrote:
Where does it say that?


did you bother reading the article? I guess not.

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He was overtaken by about 2,500 vehicles, of which about 200 were white light good vehicles, which gave an average passing distance of just over 4ft 1in. Drivers of 200 black cars, used for comparison, allowed 4ft 5½in.


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FJSRiDER wrote:
"the reporting was far more biased than that..." in your opinion. Based on what? A sentence in a newspaper.

Were other cars measured and ignored, were only black cars measured, were black cars used because they happen to fit the theory? You don't know because you are also basing your opinion on the short piece in a newspaper and not the research.


You aren't by any chance the academic in question are you?

Go back and read what I said. You've even managed to quote it. I said the REPORTING was biased, not the research. The REPORTING stated that 2000 vehicles were measured but only white vans and black cars were selected for comparison. The REPORTING doesn't state who decided it was important to discard the remaining 1600 values in order to reach the conclusions presented.


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FJSRiDER wrote:
I understand that you are an idiot that jumps to conclusions from assumptions you make after reading newspaper reports.

You jump to the conclusion that I made assumptions from reading newspaper reports; you see unlike you, I have at least some understanding of the underlying issues involved - actually, it seems everyone else does except you!

Wanna prove me wrong? Tell us how he could possibly have controlled his distance from the road edge; tell us how wearing the various head gear couldn't affect his riding style, that in turn affecting the measured results.

We are now needlessly looping. I won't bother replying again until you post something decent.

Good day!

(I have also been pondering what johnsher pointed out)


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Tell us how he could possibly have controlled his distance from the road edge; tell us how wearing the various head gear couldn't affect his riding style, that in turn affecting the measured results.

Isn't the random sample of drivers even more of a problem when trying to compare results?


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Tell us how he could possibly have controlled his distance from the road edge; tell us how wearing the various head gear couldn't affect his riding style, that in turn affecting the measured results.

Isn't the random sample of drivers even more of a problem when trying to compare results?

One could reasonably assume the distribution of the critical parameters for both driver groups would be comparable if N is great enough – all other things being equal (such as distribution of vehicle type). I couldn’t say if 2300/2 (for each group) is enough for confidence.


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Cyclists who rode farther from the kerb were given less room than those who stayed near it,

This is not consistant with my experience of cycling in Colchester.


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