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Well yes there is some mud slinging but there is also some good debate. I should take a look and make your own mind up.

BC, do you have the BBCode disabled in your profile? If so, that's why your quote tag does not work.

Cheers - That seems to have resolved the problem . I spent ages yesterday trying to find what was wrong.

In which case I ask again for a URL to the "debate" in another house please.

Here's the thread:
http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topi ... hichpage=1
The relevant rot starts midway through page two. Quickly scanning through the thread, not much decent debate in there!


As I type, the 3 most recent threads in the campaign section are devoted to SS. Says a lot huh?


edit:
If you want to do some background reading, see how they squirm here:
http://www.cyclingplus.co.uk/forum/topi ... ichpage=29
See how they continue squirming right to the end of that thread.
This is another thread dedicated to SS, you might want to read it from the beginning - if you have an hour to waste!

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I've had the briefest of views in the first of the threads you link to. I am overloaded with work for the next two nights, but may well enter that lion's den over the weekend to put right a couple of fundamentally wrong assumptions.

Meanwhile, I need to clear up an ambiguity I have inadvertently introduced somewhere along the way - "point of commitment" for the manoeuvre. I made the commitment when I was perhaps 2 seconds before car overlap. I then (wrongly) programmed out that car from my picture-painting scans - until I was overlapped by perhaps 20 - 25% of the car and accelerating slightly. It was touch and go. Had I glimpsed the problem just one to two tenths of a second earlier I'd have slammed the anchors on and been sure to miss front to back. As it was, I gunned it and missed back to front.

Had I had a further glimpse before reaching the car - which I should have done - the point of "no return" would have been then, probably around 1 second prior to overlap (where I could with firm braking have avoided the overlap). I didn't - and therefore, through that error of judgement compounded by numpty dozing off, sustained a near miss.

Had I slammed the anchors on, I had I think marginally less chance of a miss. Had I done that and hit, I would have been fine and the sleeper would have definitely been sent out of control with a "PIT".

Had I clipped him as I went past - my back to his front - the risk of him going out of control would have been low. I would have been the one sent unstable - and yes at a higher speed. BUT - and this I think is crucial - I was alert, had the hammer down (so a decent bit of weight on the back) and am confident I would haver caught it. I had plenty of road - width and length - to do so.

I'm not falling for your usual debating style over on smallminds+. Its perfectly obvious you understand nothing about overtaking or relative speeds. I'm not going to get suckered into the usual "you said this" "no you said that" "no you said this" "no answer the question" bollocks you usually come out with.





Travelling at speed? Garbage. How is travelling with a 15mph differential 'travelling at speed'? Roger has already said that the other driver wasn't paying attention - that is the primary cause of this incident.

Roger's only mistake here was not paying enough attention to the actions of the motorist he was already passing. He was looking ahead, observing the road in front of him. Thats the admirable part of this - Roger thinks hes made a big mistake, but personally I'd say hes driving quite safely.

Of course all this flew over your head like a flock of pigs with green beards, because it didn't really involve speed in any way.





Riiiggghhhtt.........



Wow, driving a range of vehicles is an indicator of driver quality and knowledge? Great. Except I know people with just as much experience who still can't drive safely. What advanced qualifications do you possess Mr Paul?

And I find that my metal cage doesn't give me a false sense of security. In fact I feel very secure when in it, because its very strong and will protect me well in the event of an accident. Funnily enough, I don't have that cage when cycling, and I don't feel quite so safe. Wheres the falsehood there?

Their standard of debate never fails to amuse .. especially when they boast on line about how many degrees und doctorates they have .. und how they all been peer reviewed ..

Well .. A peer review by the sub-standard "edukayted" mean what exactly? Ach ja .. that they cannot argue a point und can only think they win by posint malicious und petty abuse und leaping to conclusions - and prove themselves bigotted und prejudiced - about other people und whatever religion they paractice. Ist really funny that witchcraft und paganism seem to be OK but any one else's choice of religion from Catholic to more minority but still with more moral fibre than they would appear to have ist "ooo-er missus!"

We happen to be Catholic ... ist nice to have a bit of traditional moral ethic in our lives.


Which prove they cannot even argue any point without sinking to petyy, vulgar und malcious abuse. Quite frankly I am amazed someone would pay cash just to see what was discussed in the members forum.. they must be pretty insecure to do so





They fastened on "his being perhaps above lolly"

If you recall Liebchen .. it took longest time for penny to drop with lieben von over my taking a car to almost 80 mph to clear an overtake after the muppet towing the caravan accelerated to 70 mph just as I was completing the overtake on a 72 mph cruise per the GPS (both in car ) The fact that the overtakee und TOWER was ILLEGAL by 10 mph und deliberately acccelerated to prevent the overtake und return to L1 with a decent safety margin also went over his head at the time

He later conceded that it was safer for me to have acted that way if you recall that thread on PH


Our "mole" then alerted us to a number of threads on acf und the other one our mutual "pals" frequent und found a number of posts in which they they say "they increased their bike speed to pedal thier way out of danger" Surely they should have been slowing down per their comments

Und I see nothing wrong with a requirement to pedal at 20 mph in that park like the cars either




I think I hear on radio that Wigan und Manchester propose to give advanced motoring course to all who hold licence for 30 -35 years to refresh skills . This course will be with IAM und ADIs und to IAM standards per a paragraph in the MEN yesterday.

Und I do not understand Jubs logic here either. We all pedestrians after all und as pedestrians very vulnerable to anything on wheels or anyone running on pavement

Ist question of COAST und COMMON SENSE still. Und being responsible for your own safety as much as possible .. und all to have consideration for others.

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No need to get out of your chair. Your poor debating style is to pretend that because I don't agree I take the opposite extreme. I question someone's approach/passing speed, so you pretend that I'm saying we should never overtake anyone. I said no such thing, and your playground technique adds nothing to the argument.



You haven't read the OP. He was travelling at speed, slowed to a differential of 15ish, was driving too fast to be able to brake behind the car, so accelerated to around 100mph. Note the distance that the drifting car was ahead of him.

The guy was wrong to pull out, Roger admits that he was wrong because he wasn't paying proper attention to him. And he was wrong because he was travelling to fast to take safe evasive action. Instead he decided to cross the white line at 100mph. You can't choose which cause to remove from the situation just because it is convenient for you. And you certainly can't remove a cause that is outside of your control. Better to work on your own.



If that's the best you can muster then you might as well just concede the point.


Someone asked which vehicles I had driven. I answered. No-one asked about quality and knowledge. The only way to see that is first-hand. Fancy a ride?


I do believe you are agreeing with me! My point, if you read the post again properly rather than jumping in with both feet, is that riding a bike on the road (or a motorbike to a lesser extent, as a bike helmet affects sensation) gives you more of an appreciation of how vulnerable others are and can feel. Knowing this adds to your knowledge and impacts on your driving.

Oh dear, the old Jub Jub mega-quote, back-pedal, tit-for-tat nonsense begins.

Parrot, I beg of you, for your own sanity and that of the rest of us, just ignore him, and for god's sake......

My interest levels dropped through the floor when he said that a speed differential of 15mph was 'driving too fast'.

See what I mean about 'you said this' 'no you said that' 'no I said this here' 'yes but answer the question here'. Its as interesting as watching paint dry, except paint serves a purpose.

I'm not even going to bother with the rest of it. I don't have to respond to every single little point. All I have to say is that the man is a fool.

I have to correct one point. JJ suggests I admitted I was driving too fast appraoching the vehicle I was about to overtake as I had only slowed to 15mph or thereabouts differential. My counter is that I slowed to that speed not by braking but by timely lifting off, probably subcnsciosly covering thr brake until I committed to the manoeuvre. My mistake was committing to the overtake too early. Had I had another glance - just one - in my scan between the time I committed and the ppoint the vehicles overlapped, I guarantee I would have backed off/braked as needed - and it would have been firm but smooth - and I doubt I'd have felt any need to comment in here on the event at all. I do not contend I was at any time travelling too fast in the run-up to the overtake except in the crucial second prior to car overlap - after I committed to go (but before I in fact should have done so).

Oscar - add another 40 years to that and possibly now council refuse collectors.

JUB JUB last time i saw a view like yours it was an oldcoal horse - fitted with massive blinkers.


As i read Roger's post - he was almost past numpty when in the corner of his eye he say numpty drifting .

Now lets get this into cycling perspective ( to bring it to a common denominator) ---
Cycling past a large dog, almost past dog, you see dog about to lunge to right.
Do you
1) turn sharp right ( and hit fence on your right )
2) Slam on anchors and hope dog misses you(as you are almost past dog)
3) Pedall lke f**** and pull past dog,thus missing any problems.

I don't see ANYWHERE in Rogers post anything about his exceeding any limit, perhaps you can point out to us mortals (without a crystal ball )where he says he does

I think indications are that he likely was, be it briefly for evasion (unless Roger meant kph )

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Liebchen .. no offence .. but your "debating style" ist to hurl insult in reality.

I know you are not the one who keep banging on about our family.. und making bizarre claims over "scientology" which really show "bigotry und racial intolerance as racism act include "religious inclination" und if applied to same letter of law as person concerned wishes to apply "speeding".. then he ist "guilty of a CRIMINAL OFFENCE!"

As made very clear .. we are practising CATHOLICS.. PROUD to be so und NOT ASHAMED to admit we have placed God und his morals/teaching/basic advice into our lives. Perhaps the traumatic past forced us to acknowledge this "predisposition to believe in God even if our science bring us to some conflict/dilemma of opinion at times" und in the case of our professions.. our commitment to what ist right for the patient for the medics.. what ist right for the client for the accountants und lawyers in this family take precedence over our religion. (for example .. abortion for the family member who specialise in female plumbing und childbirth ... life ist sacorosanct.. but quality of that life matter far, far more in reality und we often find ourselves "at odds with our Pope" und would be classified as "real sinners" if he was aware of what we do in our PROFESSIONAL lives which ist distinctively different from our personal inner sanctum. Ist not being untrue to ourselves .. we do not think so.. We are normal educated folk und perhaps our conflich ist that Our CHURCH has to move und embrace technology .. furtherance of scientific knowledge or die - which would be a shame as ist a part of human history, culture und life.. as ist Druidism or paganism embracing MAMA NATURE .. God's wife if you like

No one in our family can understand why these people are so nasty. Perhaps because such spite und nastiness ist not within our own nature und personalities as a collective group. But the bizarre postings do not warm people to cyclists nor make them want to ride a bike.

In the other hand .. we get private mails .. supporting us.. wanting to learn more about driving, biking , riding .. so perhaps we make quietly confident progressing to safety .. und achieve far more long term than these mealy mouthed virtual cyclists who cannot possibly ride as claimed as I know how long I spend on PH und here.. und I have not ever read or contributed to every single thread - nor found the time to lurk on other sites. You can only do this if unemployed... unemplyable und certainly not developing driving/biking/cycling skills or commuting or cooking a family meal






Liebchen .. the posts on a for "morons only" forum seem to indicate otherwise

Und speaking as someone whose family ist regularly discussed with very LIBELLLOUS content on a "for morons only" forum .. it would take someone au fait "with a playground technique to know one" .. would it not

By the way .. Swiss have lodged another campaign.. to tighten up the law on the internet. If I were to swear or goad someone to suicide (recent case.. und best not to discuss as he hanged himself on -line with posters encouraging him to "do it"

und if you chanted "jump jump" when someone threaten suicide from a high rise .. you can be PROSECUTED BY THE LAW OF THIS LAND und I forget the statute. IG will know for sure .. but I hear on the radio over this .. RADIO 4 .. which ist more serious than the lighweight VINE prog

Those on that forum who can be traced are in deepest "doggy doo-dah".. but this ist internet.. und not all can be traced .. which ist Krissi's problem over the person sending her hate mail und referring to the "for morons only site" und I warn the chief moron.. we have his address per his IPS. W espend small family fortune to trace these two internet trolls who libel .. und perhaps post abusive snail mail to a place which Krissi was silly enough to allow a trace to. He live just 30 miles from the postmark of this mail. ##

If he stop .. Krissi will not take any further action. She ist not that type.. of the "compo grabbing clique" - but she has a duty of care to her staff und this mail upset her admin staff more than herself.

But like rest of this family.. nice .. we tend to trust people .. believe the best of them.. defend ourselves without ranting overly at the numpties we meet on the road as "why the hell should they spoil the enjoyment of a drive.. we know they exist.. we compensate for them .. und by doing so we look to our safety und theirs


The moronic thread seek to condemn Roger.

Roger ist worth 1000 of those who post such nonsense. He make what he think was an error on his part. He evaluate it.. seek to learn.. ask for other opinions. He get sense from most.. but nonsense from a troll who will not debate und who go back to the "for morons only" site und post more moronic nonsense as to how those people i"insulted him"

FOR INSULT ./.. KINDLY LOOK AT WHAT YOUR MATE POSTS .... WITH ZERO EVIDENCE HE POSTS AS A CONTINUUM THAT THIS FAMILY PRACTISE SCIENTOLOGY ETC .. NOT THAT THERE IST ANYTHING AGAINST THAT CULT.. JOHN TRAVOLTA STILL COME ACROSS AS A NICE ENOUGH BLOKE TO ME PER HIS PR..

but still an insult .. to those who embrace scientology und who are genuinely nicer people than the person posting so maliciously und who claim to be "educated"


To that person .. act your age und not the inches of your "male member". You prove by nature of posts that you compensate for perceived deficiency und inferiority complex. Please re-read your posts .. edit them und I will edit this one to reflect your decency.

Und ja Paul und Roger ;

forgive me.. but I do intend a childish insult there which I think warranted anyway. Ist not directed at Jub Jub or a poster here really .. but to the nonny lurk und we do know the on line identities.


As to what else this family discovered at cost to itslelf.. we think we want those concerned to really sweat so that we can get our money's worth .. cash which should have paid Paul but we robbed Paul to pay Peter und hope to remove all libel und keep a mutual peace und show courtesy und the courtesy of a debate/exchange of opinion with the hate und the insult .. und recognising "tease" as pure "fun" with absolutely no malice intended.

We are supposedly mature und educated grown-ups. Banter.. we recognise und roll with. Malice. ad hominem attack .. a in refined und cultured und educated society.

Admit a fine line but as educated und cultured.. we should see banter as banter und trolling as trolling .. am I right .. I normally say "nicht" at home;



Vrenchen

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Wildy

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Parrot of Doom wrote:

Parrot of Doom wrote:

This incident had nothing to do with speed, and everything to do with poor observation by the other driver.

Jub Jub wrote:

Nope. It had everything to do with speed. If he hadn't been travelling at speed, and then slowing to 15mph differential for his 'fly past' then he would have been able to brake safely behind the car, and wouldn't have had to resort to a far more dangerous and uncontrollable conflict. Roger has displayed the ability to review an incident and learn from it, which is admirable. Now all that is needed is for someone like a road safety campaigner to review with him whether he was travelling at safe speeds before and during.

Travelling at speed? Garbage. How is travelling with a 15mph differential 'travelling at speed'? Roger has already said that the other driver wasn't paying attention - [b]that is the primary cause of this incident. Roger's only mistake here was not paying enough attention to the actions of the motorist he was already passing. He was looking ahead, observing the road in front of him. Thats the admirable part of this - Roger thinks hes made a big mistake, but personally I'd say hes driving quite safely.

Of course all this flew over your head like a flock of pigs with green beards, because it didn't really involve speed in any way.

You haven't read the OP. He was travelling at speed, slowed to a differential of 15ish, was driving too fast to be able to brake behind the car, so accelerated to around 100mph. Note the distance that the drifting car was ahead of him.

The guy was wrong to pull out, Roger admits that he was wrong because he wasn't paying proper attention to him. And he was wrong because he was travelling to fast to take safe evasive action. Instead he decided to cross the white line at 100mph. You can't choose which cause to remove from the situation just because it is convenient for you. And you certainly can't remove a cause that is outside of your control. Better to work on your own.

Two wrongs do not make a right. But Roger at least seeks to learn .. which ist what a GOOD UND COMMITTED SAFE DRIVER or ROAD USER SEEK TO DO!

I suppose you would be like lieber von. I made a post on PH. I overtake a line of caravans in L1. As I reach the final one.. he accelerate.

He ist over the speed limit. He should be at 60 mph. I passed this line at 70 mph precisely. I do not speed .. I drive within the traffic condition. I will give my car a good work out in Germany where I am legal or on track where I am legal. By und large .. I am very legal ... but honest enough to know there are the normal blips below und over.

My muppet decided toaccelerate as I drew level. I do not want an elephant race with someone towing a caravan. That would be dangerous. I need to complete this overtake smoothly und safely after all. I cannot drop back .. he speed up.. und there ist no safety margin at 70 mph to tuck in behind this tower und join this convoy of caravans.

One little bit of pressure from my little toe und my big boy respond.. he move up to a speed of 80 mph per his dash.. und 77 mph per the GPS. I continue to clear und move into L1 with courtesy distance to the muppet from hell. I ease off to legal in time for the van at Shap und keep to steady 56 mph on my NSL road home.

I admit to being a little suprised that lieber von did not take in fact of the illegally speeding tower .. such was his quest to make me out to be "illegal und dangerous"

I asked IG und another cop about this.. They said they would be more interested in the illegal activities of the caravan tower who was illegal und dangerous in that he prevented what should have been a no-nonsense overtake at a very legal speed.. but the overtaking driver had to go marginally illegal to ensure und deliver a duty of care to other road users.




I also hear on radio that Driect Line say all those banned or on 9 points all copped at marginals und not dangerous OTT speeds

I think that says plenty really

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Parrot of Doom wrote:

Parrot of Doom wrote:

As for your definition of 'evasive action', what would you call braking?

Jub Jub wrote:

OK. Wrong word. He wouldn't have had to resort to such a risky evasive manouvre, where if he had been travelling at a safe speed things would have been much safer and easier for everyone involved.

Riiiggghhhtt.........

If that's the best you can muster then you might as well just concede the point.

Parrot of Doom wrote:

Jub Jub wrote:

7.5 tonne, Merc 814, car delivery and collection, school bus runs, multi-drop. Scooter boy in a past life. Plenty of experience.

Oh, and a push bike. You should try it Robin. It gives you an extra understanding of the false security that being inside a lump of metal gives you to the less well protected on and around the road.

Wow, driving a range of vehicles is an indicator of driver quality and knowledge? Great. Except I know people with just as much experience who still can't drive safely. What advanced qualifications do you possess Mr Paul?

Someone asked which vehicles I had driven. I answered. No-one asked about quality and knowledge. The only way to see that is first-hand. Fancy a ride?

Actually YES .. I think your ride should be with IG but all the Swiss are IAM OBSERVERS anyway

I am sure we will offer constructive criticism as we so often do with the complacent

You may be in line for a shock Liebchen. We are very prissy .. but people learn.. from our groups

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Parrot of Doom wrote:

And I find that my metal cage doesn't give me a false sense of security. In fact I feel very secure when in it, because its very strong and will protect me well in the event of an accident. Funnily enough, I don't have that cage when cycling, and I don't feel quite so safe. Wheres the falsehood there?

I do believe you are agreeing with me! My point, if you read the post again properly rather than jumping in with both feet, is that riding a bike on the road (or a motorbike to a lesser extent, as a bike helmet affects sensation) gives you more of an appreciation of how vulnerable others are and can feel. Knowing this adds to your knowledge and impacts on your driving.

I drive courteously und take COAST to heart,

I apply to riding my Ducati und my many bicycles. So far .. never experienced any serious problems.. but then I see the situation.. compensate .. diffuse .. defend.. und find I keep my duty to myself und others in term of safety uncompromised und intact. I evaluate each drive/ride .. und always seek to imprive things ..which ist why perhaps I enjoy my life on the roads.. seldom have frights.. und always seek to improve - which ist what any responsible road user und mature adult should do .. but then Jub Jub .. you know as well as we do that folk are not as they appear on the "for morons only" sites. Look at spinny .. so may incarnations.. names. locations .. none true.

Appears on umpteen sites.. lurks on each motoring site.. und you still believe he rode the Tourmalet.

Liebchen .. we have Hardknott on door step.. You have to be fit to do it. It ist not in same league as Toumalet or the big mountain passes which we have ridden und driven in the past. You have to train HARD for such rides.


To be fair to you

I think you are the normal commuter in a 'burb who ist jockeying for position in quest to arrive at work on time. We all at worst at such a time,. such ist the pressure on us really - nicht? I make allowances und defend myself und always try to protect self und others - however they travel. Our C means COURTESY as well .. you know

But your pals .. I really doubt they ride or do an honest day's work for their pay given the daily postings.

If our posts re COAST change even one attitude.. und let face fact . this site ist more hittable by the incensed pinged one than C+, acf, PH even

If just one hit gets the COAST message .. take to heart... we achieve a lot.

All your malignant pals do ist snipe, ride on pavements.,... call pedestrians "old trout who get in your way"... try to justify running red lights und riding on pavement or the wrong way uo one way streets.

These people want to ride on pavements und cry foul when drivers drive on the roads properly too.,..

They moan about HOV lanes - yet claim to be "green" - ywet are so selfish that they cannot ever consider that some one my be so disabled that they cannot ride a bike or their job may be some distance but someone can give a lift und have right to use a HOV lane which they must share with the buses, taxis, cyclists.

We all pay into "road maintenance". Whatever our choice dependent on circumstance .. we have a RIGHT to use that facility und expect it to be maintained as well

Our critcs claim "not to read Swiss ramblings "

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They must do .. or else they would not post otherwise .. nor would they post the abuse either
hypocrites und they will never persuade people to try cycling.

But WE DO! WE WIN nanannanananananaanaa-AH! with knobs on und since we all have large family .. I think the males in this family win there too

Und sorry Paul und Roger if I am a bit rudey or OTT here But I think a valid rant all the same :winK: // especially when Roger seek to learn from an episode und seem to succeed even though the other driver ist muppet in reality too

but two wrong never make a right und sometimes lucky chance decree a "cancel out" all the same.

Fact Roger try to evaluate und learn place in that "elite" of good und competent .

If you fail to learn ..even if thinking in right .. you end up very DEAD eventually und the complacent do.. und Jub .. please prove me wrong that you are complacent by engaging in real debate

I am so glad I do not come across you as cyclist, biker, driver in Lakes based on your posts to date which tell me you are one to keep big distance from as you compromise my safety, my children's safety, my husband's safety und your own safety by your complacency alone.

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Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Perhaps this forum should be renamed -"the confessional " - where we sinners proclaim our sins and the users cast stones /wheat/chaff.

Problem is that perhaps THOSE WITHOUT SIN SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO CAST FIRST STONE(ONCE THEY'VE PROVED IT)"

Wildy,

It doesn’t matter what you say about those who infest C+. We SSers already know your good character, the Cminors will simply twist then use as bait anything they don’t ignore.

It is obvious they are nothing more than cheap wind up merchants (not particularly smart ones either......)

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Our priest do go a but pale over what we confess..
here

But you are correct .. these people chuck stones.. but if you read some of their other stuff,, no wonder they have so many near misses.

Complacency kills. Sorry if touch raw nerve here. But a real driver like Roer evaluate und seek to correct a perceived error und seek advice from peers.

A complacent fool does not do so. Sooner or later he KILLS .. but at a legal limilt und does not feature perhaps in the stats which get bandied around

Und to smeggy /


Danke .. it mean much to me und Ted und the entire family

We know they have no argument. Andreas sussed that immediately, He also ruffled Spen by knowing more about the law than he did. But then that person posts prolifically. Andreas had to get some pals und secretaries to reply as he had zero time.. und thus doubts the veracity of those posting to that site und purporting to be lawyers. One based in Wales .. he did report to the Lwa Society.. only to be informed that #

"no one per that name ist registered with Law Society"

It ist a CRIMINAL OFFENCE to say one ist lawyer und ist found to be not either in flesh or on the internet ..

This family do no do illegal.. und whilst Andreas can und has apparently been traced by C+ militants.. prolific posters who cull und past Blackstones etc which anyone can purchase from decent bookseller after all .. seem "accepted so long as they preach from hymn book which make Stratford Wives" seem tame..

Ist not reality though. Never can be. SS live in real world // und the "fopr morons only" sites wallow in lah-lah land ...und this vouchsafed by lack lustre debatiing skill which only show zero argument to our reality after all

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Ich setze mich immer wieder in die Nesseln! Der Mad Doc ist mein Mann! Und ich benutzte seinen PC!

UND OUR SMILEYS? Smile ... und the the world smiles with you.
Smiley guy seen when you read
Fine me for Safe Speed
(& other good causes..)

Greatest love & Greatest Achievements Require Greatest Risk
But if you lose the driving plan - don't lose the COAST lesson.
Me?
Je ne regrette rien!

Oh they're smart enough allright.

Personally I don't believe they're very good cyclists. I don't think anybody who believes that speed enforcement is improving road safety knows a single thing about cycling on our roads.

I have never, ever been troubled by vehicles breaking the speed limit. Ever. I have however been enormously worried by vehicles driving too close to me, or overtaking towards me (as happened just the other day, I was looking down after blowing a snot rocket and didn't see him until he was on top of me )

Most of the cyclists on there stay out of the argument, because they see how futile and petty it all is, but also I believe because they understand what road safety actually is. Its very noticeable how many of the anti-safespeed messages come from so few posters, and how few posts those members create pertaining to other cycling issues.

Oh and Jub Jub is plainly here just to have fun.

No, they're really not.
The Cminors (the trolls of C+) are easily tripped up by their own claims and logic (some of them are really black and white issues), well do we expect given they post so much carp? However, instead of acknowledging their mistake they choose to divert or throw petty insults; later on they will repeat the previous error believing it won't be spotted.


I can certainly think of one who qualifies for that accolade. One of the anecdotes given was wild and beyond reason - until you consider the ignorant, offensive and aggressive style of the poster, only then did the tale start to makes sense!

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