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PostPosted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 00:41 
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Oh well I tried !!!! There are probably millions of us out there that understand but you can't convince them all !!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 00:42 
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graball wrote:
Oh well I tried !!!! There are probably millions of us out there that understand but you can't convince them all !!


Me ,too - and I'll quote( what i think is my most safety conscious post - one that SS MIGHT be thinking of pitting out as a message)

BUT - if following the vehicle in the video - would any sane person be that close to the rear end of the truck -personally ,I'd be looking at forgetting any overtake manoeuvre for a few miles ,and concentrate on keeping a safe distance behind the truck - my safety is more important than getting past some truck.

I TRIED ,TOO to put out a safety message -forget the overtake, sit back and be a late hero , rather than a new visitor to the PEARLY GATES ,with St Peter blowing an entry horn .

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 15:01 
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botach wrote:
I TRIED ,TOO to put out a safety message -forget the overtake, sit back and be a late hero , rather than a new visitor to the PEARLY GATES ,with St Peter blowing an entry horn .


As they say: "better thirty minutes late in this world then thirty years early in the next" :D

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:38 
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@ Steve - you obviously have no idea about high performance driving whether the car is fitted with power steering or not. I have never read such a load of tosh about G forces affecting steering input. If this is the case how do F1 drivers and all those who compete in motorsport cope - in any case the G forces developed by a road car are relatively low and will be insufficient to have an effect. Additionally all teaching on driving from driving school, the Police Advanced driver manuals and the IAM is that you should never cross your arms on the steering wheel so that your hands should never be at the top or bottom of the wheel.

I will accept that there are some folk that develop lazy habits such as cuddling the top of thew wheel or routinely spinning the wheel with one hand and there a loss of finesse in control is possible resulting in your 'scenario' of less precision in a manoeuvre.

In 41 years of driving including 10 years of competition motoring and many years with high powered cars I have never experienced G forces pulling my hand round the steering wheel or affecting the intended path of my car.

One thing I dislike about modern cars in some circumstances are the stability programmes - in some conditions I will disable these as I find they make the cars behaviour unpredictable on the limit when the programme decides to put the brakes on or cut engine power.

Coming back on topic there is not enough information in the original clip for us to make a decision as to the action of both drivers. I would not have tried an overtake there, it is much too narrow, the lorry driver may have pulled out slightly to make sure he had space for a potential manoeuvre in respect of a side road, pedestrian or some other hazard not seen from the car. As for general 'policing' of others sometimes the actions of the lorry driver may be justified but most times we should just let impatient or, possibly, more capable drivers get on with it and not try to create a situation to block them which could possibly lead to an accident.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 15:41 
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rallyman72 wrote:
@ Steve - you obviously have no idea about high performance driving whether the car is fitted with power steering or not. I have never read such a load of tosh about G forces affecting steering input.

I have a good grasp of physics, as well as knowing how/when to correctly apply it.
I also own a performance vehicle; in fact I've only ever owned performance vehicles since passing my test 13 years ago. Granted I don't make a habit of pushing them on public roads, but I have enough experience to get an idea.

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If this is the case how do F1 drivers and all those who compete in motorsport cope

They cope with considerable ease for several separate reasons.
They keep both hands on the wheel; thus the forces are symmetrically cancelled and hence balanced. When do you ever see them steering hard with only one hand on the wheel - especially in an emergency situation?
Oh, and they are physically very fit, much more so than your average driver.

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In 41 years of driving including 10 years of competition motoring and many years with high powered cars I have never experienced G forces pulling my hand round the steering wheel or affecting the intended path of my car.

It probably becomes easy when you've been regularly pushing the envelope over the period of a decade, like an F1 driver! The typical road user won't have any such appreciation, or practice.

Let's not forget we are talking about an unintended emergency manoeuvre, as opposed to something planned (racing manoeuvres are usually planned)

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- in any case the G forces developed by a road car are relatively low and will be insufficient to have an effect.

If you stand by the notion that 1G lateral is not enough to affect the intended position of an extended arm of a less than typical driver (I absolutely would not assume that everyone is so capable) in a panic situation, then lets agree to disagree and leave it at that.

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Coming back on topic there is not enough information in the original clip for us to make a decision as to the action of both drivers.

This is one point that we can agree on!

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 12:51 
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The Tipper driver could well have moved over because of the hedgerow. I once "flinched" when a car slightly overcooked it whilst driving round a bend coming towards me at night. That flinch moved the wagon close to the trees where a branch hit the mirror and twisted it round and through my passenger window BANG!!.. No window + Mirror smashed

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Not saying that's the reason he moved over though. Maybe he didn't fancy a four hour wait whilst emergency services attended/statements taken etc ?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 18:45 
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rallyman72 wrote:@ Steve - you obviously have no idea about high performance driving whether the car is fitted with power steering or not. I have never read such a load of tosh about G forces affecting steering input.


I have a good grasp of physics, as well as knowing how/when to correctly apply it.


Ah, that explains everything then . I have A level Physics, so maybe, that is why such a manouvere isn't daunting to me, maybe A level physics should be made part of the Driving Test Theory? ....;-)

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 19:35 
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graball wrote:
I have A level Physics,

Snap! I can only assume yours was also a decent grade.
I have a bit more than that too.

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