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 Post subject: HGV40
PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2004 22:01 
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This topic relates to the Safe Speed page: "HGV 40".

http://www.safespeed.org.uk/hgv40.html

The Safe Speed page examines new and potentially dangerous enforcement of our strangest speed limit.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 23:16 
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Surely this is another example of anti-car ( as opposed to anti-vehice) policy. The limit may be wrong, but for government policy and enforcement to be credible it should be enforced ( or raised ). A forward facing speed camera on a NSLA single carriageway is only set to detect speeding cars and light vans, HGVs can exceed their speed limit by over 50% with impunity, motorcyclists can pass at any speed as they have no front number plate.


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That's exactly why I bought a new bike today. !!!!

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Near where I live is the A15 from Scunthorpe to Lincoln road. There is only one fixed scamera and that is northbound just by the showground.
While driving an Artic at 50mph(40 limit), this was the scene of (hopefully) my last 3 points and £60 fine.
A huge amount of these scameras can recognise the difference between cars and trucks. So, unfortunately, trucks cannot speed with impunity.
There is also the speed limit for coaches of 50mph, so on A roads there are infact 3 speed limits.

As for the different speed limits for trucks on motorways and dual carriageways, locally to me there is the M180, that continues to become the A180.
M180 cars 70mph, trucks 60mph(56 limited), carry straight onto the A180, cars 70mph, trucks 50mph.
This doesn't make sense, why can a car carry on at the same speed as on a m'way, but a truck has to slow down by as much as 10mph.
OK, I accept the potential hazards, I myself had a steer axle blowout on a dual carriageway at 50mph, and one on a m'way at 56mph, the dual carriageway one was far more difficult to control, I left wheelrim marks in the grass between the tarmac and the armco in the centre.

Bit of advice here, if you experience a steer axle blowout, even on a car, keep your foot on the gas, stay away from the brakes until you have the vehicle under control.

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Dratsabasti wrote:
This doesn't make sense, why can a car carry on at the same speed as on a m'way,


That has never made sense to me anyway.

Why bother making motorways to a higher standard than dual carriageways and restrict who can use them yet have the same speed limit? Why is it safe for a cyclist to be on a dual carriageway with cars travelling at 70mph but not a motorway?

But that's because the national limits were never set with any logic, they are just an accident of history.

If motorways had a higher limit than dual carriageways it would reenforce the fact that the roads are different and should be treat differently by drivers.


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 Post subject: ASDA
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hi all

With reference to the 40 MPH limit on single carriage roads I have the following comments!

I'm just about to start driving for ASDA, anybody who has followed one off their truck will be well awary that there driver stick to all speed limit. This because all their truck are fitted with tracking devices that monitor their loacation and speed of the vehicle, any infringements are dealt with very seriously. :evil:

So when your next out on the road and your unlucky enough to catch up with me or any other driver don't blame us or ASDA for holding you up, blame the GOVERNMENT for not keeping up todate. with the needs of this countrys transport infrastructure. :evil:

One final point if you drive an LGV and you ignore the 40 limit sooner or later you are going to get caught. Ask your self who's going to get the 3 points on their licence, and pay the £60 fine ? :oops:

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 Post subject: ASDA
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Hi alll

I would just like to correct one point in my previous massage ASDA truck are not fitted wih any tracking devices as I was lead to believe, however they do have a monitoring devise fitted which checks engine revs and fuel consumption and overall speed.

Having now started driving for ASDA I would have to say I'm very impressed with the company attitude to their drivers, their number one principal is to deliver the goods to the stores as safely as posible.

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 Post subject: Re: ASDA
PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 09:48 
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mick wrote:
Having now started driving for ASDA I would have to say I'm very impressed with the company attitude to their drivers, their number one principal is to deliver the goods to the stores as safely as posible.

What's their attitude towards the 40 limit on A roads?

(In your opinion of course - obviously their "policy" will be to obey it, I'm meaning more at an "unofficial opinion" level, as to whether they think it makes their lorries more or less likely to cause accidents.)

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Hi

My opinion is the 40 MPH limit is out dated & completely unnecessary.

The official line is ASDA drivers do not brake the law. Unofficially if they object to the limit they are not saying.

All the driver I have talk to (at asda) seem to be pretty relaxed about the situation the most common repley is "That the asda way"

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The Irish are shortly going to convert their speed limits to metric.

See:

http://www.transport.ie/upload/general/4076-0.pdf

According to this working group report (and I'm not totally sure this is going to become law), the speed limit for HGVs on motorways and dual carriageways will be 90 kp/h (which is their limited speed anyway), and on single-carriageway roads 80 kp/h (50 mph).

This seems much more enlightened than the UK approach.

Not that the limiters seem to work on Irish HGVs anyway :(

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The Cheshire scamera partnership have produced a poster explaining the 40 mph limit on the four-lane A556 which seems to have caught out a lot of HGV drivers.

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I have been driving HGV for 9 years and have never understood or agreed with the 40mph law. I always drive to the speed that I feel is the best speed to suit the conditions at that moment. And this applies when im driving a HGV, a car or on my bike. I have already read on here and agree with the fact that if you are in a car and are following a HGV that is driven to the defined speed, that the driver of the car will become flustered, aggravated and pushed to the point where he will risk his own life and others to get past it. How can this be allowed to continue. And speed limiters should also be outlawed as they take away the " safety " band that you would have if you could use the power when needed. My bike is capable of 175mph but that doesn't mean I sit at that speed, but what I will do is use the speed and power that it does have to allow me to carry out a manoeuvre with ease. If only I could have this extra power in the HGV when I need it Instead of being stuck to the limiter. How many of you followed the same path as me ? My great road adventures started (legally) at 16 on a moped, thru to a motorbike at 17 and then slowly across to a car. The extra feel for the road conditions and awareness of what was around me I think was a real benefit to take with me into a car. Would it be beneficial for every one to take this route with proper affordable training? For a 16 year old to obtain his first bike now is a financial nightmare. Any way back to the topic. All my motoring offences have been whilst driving a HGV, and all but one (the latest) has been for breaking the 40mph limit, but they have only successfully had me for just one of those and that was 5 years ago.


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I've just reread HGV40. Did you ever get a reply - of any sort - to your letter to Darling about this, Paul? If not, is it worth following up? It might just have got lost.


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Roger wrote:
I've just reread HGV40. Did you ever get a reply - of any sort - to your letter to Darling about this, Paul? If not, is it worth following up? It might just have got lost.


Not a word.

I'll send a copy to my MP for forwarding. It is a really important issue.

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Roger wrote:
I've just reread HGV40. Did you ever get a reply - of any sort - to your letter to Darling about this, Paul? If not, is it worth following up? It might just have got lost.


Not a word.

I'll send a copy to my MP for forwarding. It is a really important issue.


I'm a slow letter writer Paul, I like to get my points as correct and concise as I can, but I have included a piece about HGV 40s in my tome to Mr D which I'll hopefully send off this week. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 18:29 
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On the 18th May, i was clocked by a speed camera doing 46mph, in a lorry 13.5 tonnes, how stupid can you get?? The speed on that road is 60mph, however because i was driving an HGV, i got 3 points on my clean licence which i have had since 1981, and fined £60 pounds....
I now drive at 40mph on single carriageways, much to the frustration of other road users, who overtake in dangerous situations, and a massive great queue tailing behind me....I believe in road safety, but when you have Warwickshire Police being so ...Follow by the book...Should i say??
Well Warwickshire has come to be alot slower pace when i take to the road


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atego10 - tough luck mate - but Warks have virtualy stated this for a long time on their site that this is their intention - (to make as much money as possible as quickly as possible ??) --mentioned on the Warks site ,as well as on the Warks ABD site -where the bike is also mentioned - it appears to like to hide in hedges ,and some purpose built sites on grass verges have been made for it.

BTW -- :welcome:

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 Post subject: Re: HGV40
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Also do not forget (or learn!) that vans are also subject to lower limits than cars.

Any van which is not car derived or is between 2 & 7.5 tonnes GVW are limited to 60 on dual carriageways & 50 on NSL. Many a Transit driver has learned this the hard way, especially those renting such a vehicle when they do not normally drive them. I believe rental companies should place a windscreen sticker so that the relevant speed limits for that vehicle is shown.

I have many dangerous overtakers who gesticulate when all I am doing is adhering to the (crazy) limit on vans.

The scammers are also more than aware of this lack of knowledge & collect more funds due to it :x eg the A46 near Stratford on Avon is particularly geared up for it.


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 Post subject: HGV40
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Well I can certainly look at a Van Page - and where limits are little known by the wider audiences, less understanding will ensue and that won't help for better road courtesy.
What do you believe are the issues ...?

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