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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 00:25 
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THE war on drivers is moving up a gear with a high-tech speed camera that tracks cars for up to six miles.

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The Department for Transport said their use would be decided by road safety partnerships – made up of local authorities, police and highways authorities. The Home Office is understood to be giving approval for the cameras in January.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 07:49 
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Average speed detection is hardly news. The approval of a new competitor to SPECS may increase the deployment.

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Reported on PH that intention is to blanked country with SPECS - congestion charge in by back door ??

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Let's think about this logically.

- The function of these average speed cameras is to catch people exceeding the posted limits between two points.
- The purpose must be to improve road safety resulting in lower KSIs by limiting speeds.
- The number of KSIs which have a primary cause of exceeding the speed limit is very low (<7% IIRC).
- Therefore, all this money is going to be spent on something which will have a marginal effect on safety.

Illogical, Captain.

Now replace item 2 above with

- The purpose is to be able to track motorists everywhere they go.

All now seems clear. :x

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 00:24 
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I noticed specs cameras monitoring a 30mph limit in Nottingham. What is the purpose of this article?


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Today....unusually, I drove for many a hundreds of miles on our famed: "Motorways"!

I got signs telling me to "watch my speed" whilst crawling between 0 - 30mph for miles and others telling me to "watch that gap!" on an almost empty road where the next car was a quarter of a mile in front! (The revenue "Gestapo" of course were out doing their best to meet their political masters wishes at just this point)......... :roll:

There were"specs" cameras galore and a change in the law today to keep all information gathered on "number plate recognition" devices on all your private and business journeys for longer than 5 yrs! Realistically, do you really think that they will ever dish it?....

It's almost time for ALL of us to take ALL those number plates OFF!


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I think you'll find, over the coming years, that the primary reason for moving to SPECS will be for their anpr use.
It avoids the expense of having to install anpr next to/as well as truvelo/gatsos'.
Don't forget that installation of high capacity data systems continues along major roads....and it isn't going to be used for tv or internet. It's installation (fibre-optic) seems over the top even for live cctv.

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Draco wrote:
It's almost time for ALL of us to take ALL those number plates OFF!

I've been thinking that for a while. They serve no necessary purpose. Of course we'd need a critical mass of vehicles without numberplates, and you wouldn't really want to remove your own. Then what do you do with that many numberplates once you've removed them?! Snap them in half and put each half in a post box with "DVLA Swansea" written on it? :lol:

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Well, Yes I agree...My response at the moment is never to holiday here in the UK anymore ....

Head for the boat.......Hello Europe, I've got money to spend!
Although they are also beginning to get greedy.
I guess that I need to head further afield!


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malcolmw wrote:
- The purpose is to be able to track motorists everywhere they go.

All now seems clear. :x

Or clearer :twisted:
As posted elsewhere ,using the above ( which I agree with BTW) -using M1 as an example

1) - fit entrance Spec to J1,then exit and entrance SPEC camera at each subsequent junction .
2) set up charging table .
3) send out distance charges for portion of motorway used to RC address.

Simple road charging , no fancy trackers to "go faulty " ,or reliance on GPS systems .
Only drawback is HMG record on IT projects .

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malcolmw wrote:
Let's think about this logically.

- The function of these average speed cameras is to catch people exceeding the posted limits between two points.
- The purpose must be to improve road safety resulting in lower KSIs by limiting speeds.
- The number of KSIs which have a primary cause of exceeding the speed limit is very low (<7% IIRC).
- Therefore, all this money is going to be spent on something which will have a marginal effect on safety.

Illogical, Captain.

Now replace item 2 above with

- The purpose is to be able to track motorists everywhere they go.

All now seems clear. :x



Yep ...


Pay as You Go! :roll:

Only they forgot about the rebels in the North East .. and . um foreign tourists :popcorn:

We don't have cams .. Well we do. In our cars.. .. err :boxedin:

We do not hoon it up either. One car loses the trail - another will pick up. We work as a coherent team and usually rein in our idiots as a result of this "formation precision" - which our lads/lasses are seriously trained to do. Takes time and demands a lot from our teams too. Not as easy as it might look on "Traffic Cops" :wink:

I'm saying we don't need these really. Folk are not driving that fast here really - and it's a mix of high prices, our presence on the roads and just perhaps normal COAST values kicking in :wink: London and the South perhaps different. They are not quite as laid back as us Northerners :popcorn:

Do not agree with speed limiters in each car. Can only limit to 70 mph. What do you do in 30 mph etc or abroad where you can go a little bit faster legally .. and might be expected to "go with their legal flow!!" :scratchchin:

Agree with a black box which give us vital clues as regards piecing stuff together - so long as the darned things work :bunker:

They should. Ours do. None failed so far which is why I cannot fathom press reports of "black box did not work" when this gadget is designed to withstand a ruddy inferno :roll: :popcorn:

has to be press innaccuracy. :roll; The Mad Cats ranted at me in person over their doubts. I have not, alas, as yet managed to convince either of them nor ally their doubts despite :roll: showing them the one in my own "company car" :wink: What I got was ..

classic feline roar which must have been heard 1000 miles off! wrote:
"if that ain't workin' mate - how the hell do you expect us to have faith in your other doo-dahs"



I take the point as socked by them on chin. All in car tools should work! They usually do. We check them regularly enough here. I have to assume what we do is what the Forces do. Perhaps press claims to the contrary might just lie in fact that "police did not confrm details when asked and the journalist .. JUST assumed .. :roll: Press :roll: Journalists?

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