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Cheating drivers 'put lives at risk'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/hi/the_p_word/newsid_7672000/7672049.stm

Loved this quote - "The charity says if motorists drive badly enough to get 12 points, and the automatic ban that comes with them, then they're too dangerous to be on the roads."

35 in a 30 4 times, ooh thats terrible

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Nick

Somebody who get's caught doing 35 in a 30 four times should be banned from the road just for being so bluddy dumb.

Well, quite.

OK .. contrast a 6 month ban for 35 mph blip against a deliberate police 104 mph blat. Not to mention the ban of a month after killing someone. Jury now face sleepless nights after that revelation. It no wonder me and Wildy are each spitting up furballs over it all.


By the way.. two year ban. Only his degree of "careless" puts McTaggart into some perspectives as his was at least a genuine error.

So... errr.. hugh PR stunt over .. "BE CARELESS >> GO TO JAIL"

It seems just another gimmick after all .. and justifies my scornful post on here after all. .

I said .. I want justice and not vengeance. I stick to this like superglue. But I have to say I know a difference between an silly non malicious error and sheer red misted daftness. Yet both had the same punishment.

Triple Dave can say what he likes. We cannot condone plain daft. Therein lies insanity.


Weepy . I assure.. we will never see eye to eye on speed cams . but that does not mean "polarised loggerheads"

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First of all, I don't disagree with you, per se.

I disagree with that statement, and I don't care who says it, or stands behind it.

2nd, even here in New York, where it's plain to see that racial profiling is riding shotgun with traffic enforcement, no officer would pull over any vehicle doing anywhere between +1 and +9 over the posted speed 'limit' if that was all the driver was allegedly doing. In fact, unless you are near a school during school hours, a hospital, or your hair is white [or a certain artificial shade of red preferred by elderly immigrants in New York], you are more likely to get pulled over for doing -1 under the 'limit' than +10 over, for behaving suspiciously ...

because it is a known fact that a lot of margin has been designed into our so-called speed 'limits' - [with the notable exception of certain metropolitan areas in Florida], and if you require all of that margin, something is probably either amiss or afoot, or it's peak traffic time.

(After tiring of being pulled over by cops for doing less than the posted 'limit' - OK, so it was twice - I no longer take any chances. I have since returned 150% of my passenger's fare, called them another taxi, and demanded that they exit mine, for potentially wasting the cops' time, my time and my money by demanding that I stay under the speed limit. Today, most of those customers have a very hard time getting a cab in Nassau County Long Island, without tipping handsomely in advance.)

It would be adorably quaint if the speed limits were only designed after removing the 'licensed' portion of the population who are at the limit of their competence just driving to and from work, but that same government is simply not willing to invest enough in either raising the drivers' licensing standards, or mass transit, or both.

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3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
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Really?

Wasn't there a story of a nurse who did exactly that a while back. They lowered the speed limit of the road she commuted on from 40 to 30 simply by removing the signs. She either didn't notice or just assumed vandals had taken them (happens a lot in some places. Where I am they just like to rotate the signs on the post so that the 40 section becomes NSL and the NSL section becomes 40), then got flashed 4 times before the paperwork for the first offence had arrived.

It's a pretty classic tale of the folly of speed cameras, had she been pulled by the police, the ticket may well have been unfair given the circumstances, but she would have only gotten one and then been aware of the new limit and (hopefully) complied with it.

So where were the signs telling her that she was allowed to do 40?

At the start of the 40 limit. When you drive a road every day you get used to what the limits are, and it's reasonable to assume that if a sign disappears one day, it's the work of local vandals, not the local council.

On this one the government and councils seem to agree with me, since many of them are now putting up big red "New 30mph limit in force" signs after they do this.

No they're not, you just said they had gone.



Yeah, but that's just for numpties who think if a sign disappears the previous limit still applys right?

Also, no wonder people are always complaining about their council tax keeps going up if it has to spend money on even MORE signs telling people what the speed limit is.

So you are suggesting that it's purely the signs that apply (as opposed to, say, the traffic orders in force on that bit of road)

A favourite trick of our local vandals is to find all the places where the council have affixed a and sign back to pack on a post. They go down a road and turn them all round, meaning that the village is now a 60 limit and the unpopulated bits of single carriageway in between them become 30.

All the local drivers have enough common sense to realise that this is the work of vandals and continue to do 60ish between villages and 30 through the villages even though the signs say otherwise. It is clearly the work of vandals, not some dramatic shift in road safety policy.

How is a road sign disappearing any different. Vandals remove road signs all the time, just ask the residents of Twatt how often they have to replace the sign.

In other words, depending solely on the posted 'limit' in such a situation increases your chances of either running afoul of the 'law', or getting into a collision.
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The Rules for ALL ROAD USERS:
1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
5) The rest, including laws of the land, is thoughtful observation, prescience, etiquette, decorum, and cooperation