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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 08:26 
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Ah yes, the old reduction by more than the problem statistics, mind-bogglingly impressive, it would seem that speed cameras are a panacea after all!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 19:52 
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Swindon Cameras? - Wiltshire & Swindon Safety Camera Unit – Press Statement.
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Over the 12 months to the end of April, 2008, the collision statistics for roads across the Wiltshire and Swindon area, including camera sites indicated a 30.25% reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured when compared with the baseline data required by the Department for Transport before Safety Camera enforcement began. For children under 16 years the reduction is 47.7%

At the Core camera sites in isolation, the collision statistics indicated a 69% reduction in the number of people killed or seriously injured. For children under 16 years the reduction is 58.5%

Focusing only on Swindon's Core sites, in the three years before camera enforcement was introduced the average number of persons killed or seriously injured was 19 per year. Since safety camera enforcement began at these sites the average number of persons killed or seriously injured is 5.9 per year, a reduction of 69%

10 of Swindon's Core sites have not had a single fatal or serious injury collision since they were established.
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This all sounds good but I miss the comparison with reference situations that do not have the camera's.
Here in B the most recent report (as far as I know at least) on the effect of camera's cannot find a significant effect on accidents with people killed or injured compared to overall trend. Only on accidents with only material damage it seems there is a significant effect of 20%.
The reference is: http://www.steunpuntmowverkeersveilighe ... re/114.pdf .
It is in Dutch but the summary is in English.
In the summary it says results from abroad prove effects of 30% on accidents with people killed or injured as an average result.
I would like to ask to who reads this for references on investigatons / studies that just underpin that thesis.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 01:53 
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Paul did see it coming, and he would be wooping with delight.

I have done a LOT of interviews about this excellent news, and sent out a PR too.

I was booked on the BBC Breakfast show too but sadly was 'outed' as they had more MP's / Councilors etc on .... it was having to fit inbetween two other radio interviews too !

There are other councils looking into this move.

The 'thought that another organisation is to carry on the sped camera's is possibly a development of what a Wiltshire policeman said about how they would still be catching people for speeding - a VERY different situation and a completely different meaning too.
The cameras cannot operate if the funding is stopped.

Perhaps now better concentration of the road ahead will help prevent less inattention accidents.

For the 3% discussion see PR562 .........

DFT revealed that 96% of rural road injuries in 2006 did not involve excessive speeding the speed limit.
Of the remaining 4% that might, 2% were rated as 'very likely' to include speeding, and 2% were rated as 'possibly' including speeding.

This is a stark and dramatic contrast with previous DFT, claims that 'one third of crashes are caused by speeding'.

Figures for fatal crashes show that 7% were 'very likely' to include speeding and 5% more 'possibly' included speeding. It should be obvious to anyone who has examined the figures that a very large but unknown proportion of these fatal crashes involved extraordinary reckless behaviours and certainly not normal responsible motorists a few miles per hours over the speed limit.

"... So thrill seekers, the stolen cars, idiots motor racing on the highway, and hig speed drunks are all included.
Once these groups - who will always ignore sped limits - are removed the number of speeding crashes left over for the rest of us is close to zero."

Dft has a nasty habit od adding 'too fast for the conditions' figures to 'exceeding the speed limit' figures in an attempt to exaggerate the dangers of speeding and justify their policies. The two should never be added because the first is a driver quality issue while the second is a legal compliance issue. In short they are chalk and cheese and should not ever be added.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 09:53 
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Safespeedv2 wrote:
I have done a LOT of interviews about this excellent news, and sent out a PR too.


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