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I was hoping an esteemed Gold member with almost 6000 post was going to offer something constructive....

I can not find the website with the source of the original figures from which my calculations were derived. I will search again and when I get chance I will add these figures and calculations and to my soon to be launched website http://www.collision.info

In the mean time here are 2 derived figures one from each side of the figures I gave. Given all 3 result have not quoted a decimal place, the implied level of precision shows I believe all 3 results have a high correlation and therefore evidence convergent validity.

The figures I gave were 12% of accidents caused by inappropriate speed which led to 4% given by 2/3 of the 12% being caused by inappropriate speed within the speed limit rather than exceeding the speed limit.

So here are two article you may wish to read which give 5% and 3% derived figures respectively. Slightly above and below my 4% figure

(I've highlight the points to help you find the points where 5% is mentioned)
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:0xGE ... cd=1&gl=uk

The 3% is shown in the large table
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... hines.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/10/ ... 33x696.jpg (A image of the table by itself)

Given the sources of each of these figures perhaps you can be a little more accepting of their derived figures.[/quote]


So ---like the SCPs - the figure they first used was 33% ( 1/3 of accidents were caused etc........) - you stated 12 %
SUDDENLY your figures (whwn challenged ) go down to 5% ( or even 3%)

I'll omitt the ADHOMINEE bit and give you a chance to retire gracefully .


For too long the anti car lobby has been pushing out garbage - in response to HMG pleas to "RECYCLE " -
All I'm seeing here is certainly recycled .

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Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Wrong again! You didn't read what I wrote. I chose my words very carefully and I suggest you go back and re-read my original post.

I said quite clearly 12% is attributable to inappropriate speed - two thirds of which is likely to occur with in the limit. This leaves 4% which happens to be in between the 5% and 3% derived from the independent calculations by Paul and the Department of Transport.

The problem with having to explain to you that inappropriate speed can occur within the speed limit not only wastes time but it also takes the thread away from the very important issue to which I was originally responding.

Regarding the 1st vid, I don't mean to offend anyone, but be warned ...

I'm somewhat disappointed that doofus failed to win himself a Darwin award. It would've been a greater lesson, and more lives would've been saved in the long run, if that idiot had successfully committed suicide. Whether that was his intent or not is beside the point - but it didn't seem to be his intent.
I am, of course, glad he has made a full recovery; I was speaking in the context of the lesson he apparently tried desperately to learn, and I hope he has.

Regarding the 2nd vid, I have a distinct suspicion that those women were, in fact, trying to commit suicide.

I have often remarked here on this forum, and am personally convinced, that, unless at least one driver actually has an intent of striking me [as a pedestrian], I behave in such a manner as to make being struck by a car impossible. I may be wrong, but I know for a fact that I am surrounded by people who are convinced that being struck by a vehicle is prima facie evidence of the driver being at fault. Those people are missing a critical piece of information about their safety, thus endangering themselves and their family and friends.

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The Rules for ALL ROAD USERS:
1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
5) The rest, including laws of the land, is thoughtful observation, prescience, etiquette, decorum, and cooperation

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The Rules for ALL ROAD USERS:
1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
5) The rest, including laws of the land, is thoughtful observation, prescience, etiquette, decorum, and cooperation

Speeding +1 to +10 MpH above the posted limit: 3 points
Speeding +11 to +20 MpH over the posted limit: 4 points
Speeding +21 to +30 MpH over the posted limit: 6 points
Speeding +31 to +40 MpH over the posted limit: 8 points
Speeding +over 40 MpH above the posted limit: 11 points

Three speeding convictions in 18 months (as little as 9 points), or 11 points in eighteen months otherwise, will result in the revocation of that driver's license.

In addition, if you receive six points on your driver record during a period of 18 months, the annual assessment is $100, for three years. The minimum amount that you must pay each year is the annual assessment. The total assessment for the three years is $300. If you receive more than six points on your driver record during a period of 18 months, the annual assessment is $25 for each point more than the original six points. The minimum amount that you must pay each year is the annual assessment. The total assessment for the three years is $75 for each point more than the original six points.

By the way ...

• Reckless Driving: ................... 5 points
• Failing to Stop for School Bus ..... 5 points
• Following Too Closely (tailgating) . 4 points
• Inadequate Brakes .................. 4 points
• Failing to Yield Right of Way ....... 3 points
• Disobeying Traffic Control
  Signal, Stop Sign or Yield Sign ......... 3 points
• Railroad Crossing Violation .......... 3 points
• Improper Passing or Lane Use ....... 3 points
• Leaving Scene of Accident
  (property damage or Animal injury) .... 3 points
• Child Safety Restraint Violation ...... 3 points
• Any other moving violation ........... 2 points

So driving +21 MpH over the limit is more dangerous than driving recklessly? Really?

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The Rules for ALL ROAD USERS:
1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
5) The rest, including laws of the land, is thoughtful observation, prescience, etiquette, decorum, and cooperation

Is that really fair, though? I can think of several 30 limits around here that are absolutely ridiculous, and have been progressively reduced over time until they are now quite laughable. They're not urban areas where doing 45 would be dangerous, they're semi-rural areas where the Think Of The Children brigade has reduced the road's speed limit to 30 despite it being quite safe and legal to do 50 there a couple of years ago.

It's this inappropriate setting of speed limits that has to stop, but it seems to be getting worse each year...