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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 13:15 
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BRAKE per the radio support a petition to government to tighten up legislation for taxi drivers.. :popcorn:

They want all drivers to take a break every TWO hours..

Taxi drivers are not amused by talk of legislation though. :popcorn:

What do others think?


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8203775.stm

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Call to limit taxi drivers' hours

Gary Glymond was killed while out celebrating his birthday
Road safety charity Brake is calling on the government to limit the number of hours taxi drivers are allowed to work before they take a proper break.

The move is supported by the family of Gary Glymond who was knocked down and killed by a taxi in South Yorkshire on his 18th birthday in March last year.

The driver admitted he had worked for more than 13 hours.

The Department for Transport said drivers had a duty not to drive tired, but there were no plans for regulation.

Campaigners say a lack of proper legislation on the number of hours taxi drivers can work in a single shift is dangerous.

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Many private hire and Hackney carriage drivers are exempt from the European working time directive, which would limit them to working a 48-hour week with a 20-minute break every six hours.


Sue Jackson: ''Taxi drivers can work 24 hours, which should not be allowed''
But Mr Glymond's mother, Sue Jackson, said the law needed to be changed to include them.

"We found out, as we've done the petition, that they can work 24 hours, which should not be allowed," she said.

"Can I add it's not a vendetta against taxi drivers, that we've done this. It's for personal safety, for them, for other road users."

Brake advises all drivers to take breaks every two hours on long journeys.

Experts say motorists are most vulnerable during the small hours of the morning and in mid-afternoon.

Last month, members of the Unite union renewed calls to reduce the number of hours worked by bus drivers after members raised safety concerns.

Some drivers in Greater Manchester told the BBC the five-and-a-half hours they spent behind the wheel before a break put passengers at risk.

Stagecoach, one of the city's biggest bus firms, denied the claim and said safety was its "number one priority".


I think though that taxi drivers und bus drivers should take regular breaks all the same - but within reason.

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The roads would be a safer place if some of the taxi drivers I have come across took a break of two centuries rather than two hours. How people who drive daily and professionally can be such bad drivers baffles me.

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Driving while tired is covered by existing laws. We don't need more laws. Especially not numeric ones. Why 2 hours?! Random numbers don't help anyone.

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A bit fundamental:

Was the collision a result of the driver working the 13 hour shift, or was that purely coincidental? There is no mention of cause and effect.

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It's ok them saying that the driver had been working for 13hours, but how much of that time was actually spent driving and not sat watching the world go by while he waited for a job.

My brother is a private hire driver in Blackpool. He has his own car but drives for a company that take the bookings, provide the communication equipment etc. He often works 12+ hours but will often only have a couple of jobs in a couple of hours.

When he comes in shortly I'll ask him to have a look at his notebook where he keeps notes of jobs he's had.


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Chap from the taxi drivers association is scathing over this... He says they are making claims before some working report has been completed.. and that they (BRAKE and the petitioners" do not know or understand a typical work pattern. :popcorn: He said this in a news interview on the telly...

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Just had a quick word with my brother.

Yesterday he did approx 14hours (3pm till 5am this morning). In that time he did 45 jobs, which works out at 3.2 / hour.

This was obviously a Saturday night, I assume Friday nights would be similar. I've asked him to total up the last 2 weeks.


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I certainly would not be amused by any such regulation. Once again, it seems that people who would never drive an hour in a taxi driver's seat, are trying to tell them how to do their job without knowing much - if anything - of what it's really like.

Most taxi drivers I know, work either six, eight, or twelve hour shifts. The few that own their taxis might work either twelve or sixteen hour shifts.

In any case, every driver has his or her own pace, and would tend to take breaks every three to four hours, lasting between 15 and 30 minutes.

Depending on where and when they are working, the timing of their breaks is somewhat flexible; but at the same time, also somewhat predictable. The driver guesses when to take a break, and how long to make that break, by estimating how much it would cost to take a break at that time, in that area.

Yes, it's possible, that, on an unusually busy shift, they might go as long as six hours without a break, but I've never been able to go without at least a quick bathroom break every four hours. While I'm there, I might as well buy something to eat or drink, maybe something to read, maybe make a quick phone call ... Some drivers might buy a pack of smokes, a lottery ticket. Could take as little as five minutes, certainly not more than fifteen.

The ones that confuse me a bit are the ones that take their meal breaks without leaving their car, perhaps only dismounting to use the facilities (it's easy to suspect that a small minority may not even get out of the car to do this :puke: ).

If I were forced to legislate anything regarding breaks, I'd set the number at four, knowing that the vast majority of taxi drivers would probably have already taken one before it was required. 'Laws' should not be difficult to comply with for the majority of the population set involved.

I'm much more concerned with the fact that some drivers work more than two twelve hour shifts consecutively.
The last time I made sweet love to a woman for more than twelve hours, I remember taking three breaks an hour long apiece, I didn't do it the next day, and the day after that, I was useless after three hours for the rest of the day.
Most taxi drivers that do shifts of twelve hours or more, are very likely to do so for at least three consecutive days, some even as many as six in a row. I wouldn't feel safe pushing myself that hard for that long, that often.

I say the above as a taxi driver who regularly drove three six hour shifts, and one eight hour shift a week (Sat), during which I'd cover between 20 and 30 miles per hour. Me taking three days off per week was my way of staying sane, sober, and safe.
I really don't know how anyone would want to drive more than twelve hours a day, or more than five days a week. The real problem is when such long workdays and workweeks are seen as necessary.

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