Ach .. this was what I posted up in members. Or rather I make perhaps the one which contain some controversial links for the discussion in public.
I have already posted in privafe to Claire .. the other stuff .. but this all take time to absorb . You have to read.. read again.. THINK.. PONDER .. ABOSRB und then respond after much serious consideration. You really cannot put a glib . response on this as there ist much meat on bone to chew over .. und sense the taste.
If you understand me. (It explain why I distrust the 12 daily posts person perhaps.
Scans are not reading. I read. It take time. But folk post opinion und whether I agree or not.. ..I can only decide if I read once und once again to be fair I know I do not agree with some . I hope though that I reply politely. I know my English may not have some native nuance all the same
I have some personal moments in this story because of what happen in my past. Most members are aware of the shocking event to me as a young woman in mid-20s - which nearly kill me. Ted switched off my life support... I was judged "dyiing" .. at the time..
only I was only sleeping very very deeply really as that was how my body chose to heal itself . by shutting down for a short while. I was not in a vegetative state . I seem to recall hearing folk trying hard to get me awake again . but I perhaps needed my sleep at the time.
I think my post here will be disjointed despite chatting to Claire over where to chat first. As I explain to her.. this has some issues with umpteen sub topics und ethics. It one hard one. I know I feel upset.
So be patient und bear with me here. Understand that this one has a deep cut with me given the personal past.
http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/geneve/story/1363651120min wrote:
Le chauffeur de bus a été acquitté d'homicide par négligence
Le chauffeur de bus des TPG, qui avait brûlé un feu rouge à Genève en janvier 2007 puis violemment percuté une voiture dont la conductrice était décédée après cinq semaines de coma profond, a été acquitté d'homicide par négligence.
L'accident avait impliqué un bus des TPG en 2007. (Photo: Keystone)La famille a fait recours.
Dans son jugement, le Tribunal de police de Genève considère qu'il y a un doute sur la causalité du décès, a indiqué mercredi à l'ATS l'avocat de la famille François Canonica, confirmant une information de la «Tribune de Genève». Pour les juges, la question est de savoir si la victime «est décédée des suites de ses blessures ou de l'arrêt de tout traitement» après cinq semaines de coma profond.
Ce doute profite à l'accusé, qui est reconnu coupable de lésions corporelles par négligence. Il écope de huit mois de prison, avec un sursis de cinq ans. La partie civile avait plaidé l'homicide par négligence.
Me Canonica juge cette décision absurde et inadéquate. L'avocat a immédiatement fait recours, estimant que la mort cérébrale est une mort. «Ce n'est pas parce que le coeur bat que la personne n'est pas morte», a-t-il expliqué.
L'accident s'est produit en janvier 2007. Un bus des Transports publics genevois (TPG) avait percuté de plein fouet une voiture à un carrefour du quartier de Champel. L'enquête a permis d'établir que son chauffeur avait passé au feu rouge et qu'il roulait trop vite alors que la chaussée était humide et grasse.
OK .. what happened. I will summarise. I am putting this in here as it has a lot of issues which I think overlap with UK stats/interpretations of stats/policy etc. I will address these after I "set scene by briefly (hopeful
for once) summarising. Some things which we need to llook at und discuss before I make this available to non-members
You may think What the Fuck? It's foreign. No. Swiss use same criteria as UK und rest of EU as regard what to inlcudde in KSI for comparison. What happen there ., happen here too. I think I am making this disjointed. BEAR WITH ME!
RIGHT
Swiss accident. Road WET und "greasy-slippy"
Bus driver ignores a red light as he approach too fast to stop in the weather situation. He must have run the lights at half to one second after the red und change to green for others.
. He T-boned a car driver. A woman. She die
thirty five days later in hospitalIn the UK he would be charged as we see in each news report of "causing death by dangerous driving". In my home country? We reserve that for seriously dangerous but distinguish between negligent und ephemeral carelessness.
I think part of my problem with some cops on PH to be "cultural difference of interpretation und linguistics" I have no problem with this discussion being carried over on those other sites . for another take .. but safespeed ist different as a very serious campaign which cannot be undermined here. Before we go public . I think we need to think on this one In the court delving into nitty gritty .. he was found guilty of causing injury by negligent driving . receive 8 month jail und 5 year driving ban .
Now WHY?
WELL .. she died 5 days after the KSI cut off. Now this ist one issue on those stats. It bear out A&E and Oxford Uni research und even Plod raw figures which say KSI higher than SCP claim. You see . when incoming wounded enterA&E they are coded accordingly. If they died on day 31 .,. they are not counted in SCP/KSI stats which explains perhaps the huge controversial difference und misrepresentation of KSI stats.
In this case . her death was out of the time limit. We also read that he was acquitted of the more serious charge because they could not prove she die from the injuried inflicted in the accident. They could prove he cause the injuries but not she die as result. (I think this also to be significant as it explain the Over Kellett tragedy und why the CPS fail there und in many other cases.
In short .. if they die of MRSA etc or just left to dies as "non viable life" .. then this become "natural causes"
YES I KNOW > ETHICS UND THERE ARE UMPTEEN PRO-LIFE LOBBIES ON THIS
But I have to admit.. we medics perhaps play the statistcal roundabout of politically correct nonsense here. Bu thte bottom line ist that those deaths happen because of one of the 95% driver errors und we play down to show "cams work" und reality show otherwise here.
The following link show up the problems we face when determining time o f death. I inckude for information und balance in replies.
Ther eare many issues .., but I think such incidence explain why A&E dispute SCP figures.
I sorry if a disjointed post. But the story has umpteen sub-takes und I think we should look at this und seriously think how to present to best safespeed stance. This type of story will be repeat across UK und Europe alike.
http://www.medstudents.com.br/neuro/neuro5.htm http://ecmaj.com/cgi/content/full/164/6/833I have linked to official stats too. I will not place here yet. I think folk should discuss more the "time limit" und how this skew figure?
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