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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 15:24 
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Deanna Rose wrote:
By DEANNA ROSE

Motorists driving on Metropolitan Parkway from Dequindre to Jefferson in Macomb County will soon be able to go faster -- legally -- when the Road Commission of Macomb County changes the speed limit to 55 mph in the upcoming weeks.

The RCMC, which controls the countywide roadway, concluded after taking studies that the increase would be beneficial. The studies take into consideration the number of accidents on Metropolitan Parkway and the types of those crashes, along with the physical construction of the roadway and the amount of vehicles, pedestrians and bicycles using the road, among other factors.

Ultimately, the road commission determines how fast 85 percent of the drivers are moving already and uses that as a gauge for what a safe speed limit would be.

Sterling Heights City Manager Mark Vanderpool said the speed limits will change within the city from Dequindre to Utica roads. The current speed limit from Dequindre to Mound Road is 45 mph, while the speed limit from Mound to Utica Road is currently 50 mph. Both limits will change to 55 mph

For questions and concerns, call the RCMC at 463-8671.

Good to see sensible common sense for speed limit setting. :)

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2010 23:26 
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I wish other countries would do it correctly as well. As I am originally from New Zealand, I found out about NZ setting of speed limits, yes they use the 85th but when they do their speed surveys they use the same locations each year and they do the surveys at the same time each year, in July, which in NZ is heading towards winter and of course weather conditions will naturally slow cars down and it is also when the schools are on holiday as well. If they did it correctly they would take readings from different times of the year
to get a better average.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 07:52 
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....An average of the 85th%ile ;) I know what you mean though !
Not the point - the point of course is that they take the 85th%ile when all conditions are good on an average section of the road so it is the true unimpeded Free Traveling speed that the driver has chosen to be safe to proceed.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 20:33 
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....An average of the 85th%ile ;) I know what you mean though !
Not the point - the point of course is that they take the 85th%ile when all conditions are good on an average section of the road so it is the true unimpeded Free Traveling speed that the driver has chosen to be safe to proceed.
As opposed to the common sense approach you're suggesting ...
What's usually done, is one of those 'your speed is' devices is immediately preceded by a posted speed 'limit'.

People see the posted speed 'limit' first, weigh that against time of day, pedestrian traffic likelihood, the possibility that the area might be a speed trap, etc.

What tends to wind up happening, is that the speed distributions through the area will show people like me driving through the area at anywhere from 10 to 15 MpH over the posted 'limit', and the vast majority of people driving through the area at around 7 to 10 MpH over the posted 'limit'.

If enough people drive through the area at more than 10 MpH, and the 'your speed is' sign disappears, you can bet that area has become a speed trap. I know, I live within walking distance of one. It's precisely because pedestrian traffic in that area will never reach a frequency that would slow drivers down - among many other things of course - that make it such a good hunting ground.

Usually, the survey finds that most people are not driving through the area at speeds which cause concern.

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