Safe Speed Forums

I had the misfortune to use my car again today, the usual story of travelling along the M4 from roadworks to roadworks, looking out for what speed limit each one was, checking my speed and every time i thought i may have drifted over 70 etc etc when i witnessed road rage in front of me, a driver was a few feet from the car ahead of him flashing his lights and beeping and waving of arms.

Why?, beacause we had just come out of one of the falsely slow danger zones from 40 to70 and the poor driver at the front had not spotted the tiny national speed limit sign and was obviously confused probably thinking he was still in the 40 zone.

1/ Problem caused by lack of logic to speed limits ie, the limit, when they start and when they finish.

2/ A huge array of signs (sometimes) leading to them and in them (sometimes).

3/ When returning to the national speed limit, usually just one small normal sized sign!

Result irate drivers, normal people going crazy after crawling for miles at too slow speeds desperate to cool down their engines and selves with some moving air!


This country and the road police ( and i know they are not real police, just stooges following orders etc) are driving me and the road rage driver mad.

By the way heading west on the M4 through the 40 zone i did over 2 miles in neutral (using brake occasionally) to hover just below 40, relieved the boredom but i don't advise as i guess my braking distance would have been greatly increased, saved some petrol though.

who

I'm really not sure, i don't know who is responsible for what i see as the chaos that is the British road system, i might as well blame the inventor of the speed camera rather than the abusers of it, for all the good it would do, just felt like spreading my driving misery on this forum.

Pointless i know....

Somebody's been watching too many American cop shows methinks

What next, Scamera Operator's video series of the world's worst baby killers zapped at 0.01mph over the limit (on a free flowing M4 in perfect driving conditions)?

Yeah - but the law won't do anything about it because it's not a bang on cert you can pervert and bend the process of the fairness of the law to procure SIXTY QUID off of someone.

I'm surprised you're on here, actually. Ain't you got any films to examine to see whether you can exert any more control over us mere mortals' wanton excesses???? Surely there must be copious quantities of £60s to harvest on a shhhh, no questions asked basis

Taking a leaf out of the way the NIP addressed to me fell out of the envelope (as in its unprovoked hostility - all the crap about 'obeying the law at all times'): I'm just making sure that you do know that it's THEFT to browse web sites in one's employers time, and seeing as you want the law enforced to its absolute, don't forget that one could be charged with stealing ink when one uses the firm's pen to make notes of one's wife's shopping needs.

You reap what you sow! Enjoy it while it lasts. Sooner or later enough of the rest of us will complain enough that something will get done about this. And I just hope that when that day comes and you lose your job, you subsequently can't get employment... And that as a consequence of your lack of money ultimately your home gets reposessed. What comes around, goes around

Inappropriate speed kills. Not speed in itself.

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Although I used to consider myself to be a "reasonable man", the law just sees me as a criminal... My uncontrolled anti-social activities solely include the undeniable fact I usually drive my car at or just below the 85th percentile.

And if you think my last post is close to the mark, it can be explained away very easily.

I am a reasonable man. And I expect people to treat me like one rather than abuse the law to extort money off of me.

If you want me to respect you and treat you fairly, then I require the you do likewise with me. Stop spouting crap and insulting millions of people's intellegence. You just want our money. Why not come out and say so.

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Although I used to consider myself to be a "reasonable man", the law just sees me as a criminal... My uncontrolled anti-social activities solely include the undeniable fact I usually drive my car at or just below the 85th percentile.

Paulnn18 - can see your point - ideal place for camera man is this village in west sussex -

link to Daily Mirror

He can pick his own speed limit or pick up 3 fines for one offence.(Mind you don't they do that now?)

nil bastordian caborundum -

Errrr don't you need to have separate independant witnesses for the police to do anything here?

I can see the same sort of confusion arising from the 'do 30 if you're not sure of the speed limit' idea that we are told to do as an excuse for inadequate or ambiguous signing. I honestly think that people that come up with these bright ideas sit in offices all day and spend little if any time out there driving on the road.

They certainly give that impression.

Although motorway roadworks are carefully signed on entry with the speed limit they are not so carefully signed on exit. Sometimes all you get is a Roadworks End sign and no speed deristriction sign. Legally you are then required to travel at the last speed limit posted until you see a different legal limit sign like the white disc with the diagonal black line. Common sense and the behavoiur of other drivers can alert you to the fact that the speed limit has disappeared and that you are obstructing other drivers, but I bet such an excuse won't stand up in court if it turns out that you are speeding, though unintentionally.

Most modern cars will use less fuel in gear foot off the throttle than idling in neutral. With the vehicles momentum to keep the engine turning there is no need to feed in fuel. In neutral the engine needs fuel to keep turning. The engine management system will deliver fuel accordingly.

Just a little nugget you might want to bear in mind the next time you are tempted to knock it out of gear on a long downhill.