Safe Speed Forums

One of us is and it sure ain't me my little Glaswegian/Italian friend.

Oh, it just get better. Perhaps we should ask the tobacco companies to test their product for carcinogens?

Oooooh, I'm scared. Well done for poring over my posts. Analysing your enemy are you??

Well, its a shame I'm not your enemy Steve - I'm just not your biggest fan.

Oh, hang on - you're actually JJ, aren't you?? So that makes you schizophrenic perhaps??

if anyone is wanting to watch this now, ive just converted it to a small WMV file..

you can get it here:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/julie.denton2/insout.wmv


i thought the program was pretty good, nice to see cps dropping cases over video evidence.

and if the UK LTI 2020 is so good then why not prove it!!!!!

I wonder if I can hire this guy to work for me, so that when a customer rings me up and says that they have found a bug in my software (or rather an undocumented feature as I prefer to call them ), he can say that it has been tested so they are wrong, go away. But you know what, I think I would rather give the customer the benefit of doubt and try to recreate their problem and fix it for them and my other customers, and I've also been known to reduce support contract fees to ZERO in some casses as compensation to them - but only for the next year.


But then again I run a business where my customers would just go else where if I didn't help them. How nice it must be to send a demand for money to somebody and not tell them anything when they ask questions.

And therein lies the conundrum, we have tried to recreate the problem and have yet to succeed.

But therein also lies the difference. If cerberus cannot replicate, find the cause of and then prevent the failure then he loses money..

You, on the other hand, stand to gain considerably from the presence of the fault, and going to great lengths to prevent its discovery or even deny its existance is a worthwhile investment for you!

Isn't it strange that you only seem to turn up in here when you feel under pressure. Not a peep from you for so long and suddenly a dozen posts in response to this program alone!

Come on then, let's have a safe speed get together. You bring your equipment, and we'll demonstrate it to you.

How about it?

We'll also show you a neat little reflection effect that hasn't been shown yet.

Since the target is moving, the best yu can hope for is that you get enough pings to calculate the speed from the same spot on the vehicle.
If the vehicle is some distance from the camera, then (as was pointed out), just a small amount of movement is enough to move the aiming point a large distance over the target.

It all comes down to whether the device can detect such movement, and produce an error message. If it does not, you're screwed!

Essentially, it is similar to the Auto Focus warning you get on some cameras, which usually works, but occasionally does not. With autofocus, it is lack of sufficient contrast in the compared images which produces the error warning. This is easily demonstrated, and proved. The LTI manufacturers REFUSE to say how they detect errors, so it is impossible to oppose them in court to show errors do occur. The testing is not independent, since the manufacturers are the only ones in a position to carry it out. The government (and JJ et al) have put their faith in the word of a company which is making money out of selling the device!!
Since the program illustrated that 10 times the device was accurate, until the 11th reading, then a problem has been shown to occur - and all the while the users are relying on the error message occuring, proving them right.
It's the Mark 14 USN torpedo all over again!! When nobody observed them hitting the target and exploding, they simply blamed the captains poor aiming. No, it was the detonator - and they fired hundreds of them for over a year at Japanese ships without realising!!!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

JJ (or whoever), perhaps you might allow somebody in the area to have 1/2hr with a device to give it a ago?

If not, perhaps you could use your internal contacts to allow me (and an helper) access to one of Hampshire SCP's devices. If they are worried about losing money I am prepared to make a donation to a nominated road safety charity to offset the loss.

I have a US-spec device to compare it with, so no worries there.

Gareth

Couldn't have put it better myself, I've got some bugs in the software that have been in there for several years (I've been writing this software for just over 10yrs now), but have in that time only been report 3 or 4 times, I know there there as they have been reported by different customers, and I've spent what must be weeks attempting to recreate them. This for a one man company is not the best use of my time and money, but it must be done to give confidence to my customers that my software is what is best for them. For these problems I've created a fix solution so that if that problem is reported again there is a solution to fix it and have the customer working again within minutes.

1) Find a reasonably flat surface, eg. side of car, van, office etc.
2) Pan the scope along the surface at a constant speed
3) Press the trigger *after* you being panning, don't let the trigger interfere with the smooth panning
4) Observe speed on display

Although replicating it on a one-off basis requires a "technique" here's the critical part which you don't seem to understand:

This could unintentionally happen in real-life usage and there is absolutely no way you can tell

Even in Cumbria you must make hundreds of thousands of individual checks every year, and you cannot tell me that the laser would never have panned down the side of a vehicle in that way. Even if the laser is perfectly aligned as long as the video flagged an offence I very much doubt whether the person who reviews the rapes would never reject an offence just because the video was wavering along the side of the vehicle.

Gareth

Let's look at the history of UK/US partnerships shall we:

US has some good kit, UK buys or build that same kit under licence

Chinook Helicopter: Software bug means that nav instruments don't work properley and that engine management system is pants.

Apache Helicopter: British version couldn't carry air-ground missiles, a small component of the Apache's capability.

Are they now suggesting that the Lti-2020 is superior to the US version because of British software,

Give me a break!!!!!! I guess the next thing the dozy twats will be coming out with, is that the computer system at the CSA works, or that the Siemens MOT swipe card trials have been a success.

Anything this government touches turns to rat why should cameras be any different.

Mirror good enough for you?

COPS USE SPEED GUN WHICH ADDS 30MPH

"BRITAIN'S most widely used speed gun can give readings that are 30mph ABOVE a car's real speed, it was claimed last night."

It was in the Metro this morning as well (Manchester edition)

The big question is whether this will encourage accused drivers to challenge in court the accuracy, especially when they are alleged to be just over the posted limit.

Saw the programme and it was excellent.

How can any conviction made as a result of this equipment ever be sound?

JJ I don't have any faith in your assertation that you have tested, yet failed to reproduce the 'slip' effect.

We all saw it happen, all of us, on national television.

The whole SCP industry ia a national disgrace.

Its only a matter of time before your house of cards comes crsahing down.

Saw the programme and it was excellent.

How can any conviction made as a result of this equipment ever be sound?

JJ I don't have any faith in your assertation that you have tested, yet failed to reproduce the 'slip' effect.

We all saw it happen, all of us, on national television.

The whole SCP industry ia a national disgrace.

Its only a matter of time before your house of cards comes crsahing down.

It'll come down to this alleged difference between UK type approved dodgyscopes and the ones the Beeb got hold of - standard response. It would be a lot easier to believe if the scamerati took part in these program and allowed a UK Home Office type approved gun to be tested alongside the others and proved that there was a difference.

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Had anyone from the SCP side co-operated from the outset they could have killed the story dead. The film would have been binned and none of us would e talking about it.

They didn't offer any evidence....guilty as charged.