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It's the "WE" bit that worries me. I've seen this sort of thing happen before where the most vocal ones with the most time on their hands decide that for the good of the community at large, SOMETHING MUST BE DONE! Just because it's possible to get a council to do something doesn't mean to say everyone around you wants it!

My bold. I just re-read this and this sentence seems so wrong! Surely that's the whole point! Or does this just display the underlying mentality of "the law's the law" and it's not really about safety?

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But really...isn't it?
The law is the law?
Those I have read tell us all that if we break the law we are liable to get punished...none of them say that if your safe whilst you break the law you won't be punished....perhaps they should...but at this time...they don't.

WE as in every household in the area ....
Everyone was asked & the consensus being a resounding YES for the implementation of traffic calming measures.

It wasn't a case of NIMBY-ism or anything so petty.

Which is more important to you? Legality or Safety?

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I don't want points on my licence and I also want to be as safe as I possibly can be in today's rush-about world. So I guess Safety and Legality are of the same importance to me.

Then you really are as inane as you come over......


Or should that read insane?

What is the point of putting in traffic calming measures that cannot, under any conditions, be negotiated at the speed limit? Would a lower speed limit not be more appropriate if you want people to drive that slowly?

When I need a psych evaluation I'll be sure to go to a qualified practitioner thank you.

There is no right and no wrong in this issue...there are however points of view...I respect yours, so at least have the courtesy if not to respect them, to at least acknowledge my right to have them.
It never fails to amaze me that whenever someone comes across with a different point of view there is always one who resorts to personally attacking the poster of it.

The 'buzz-word' there is "LIMIT"
and considering how many took notice of the tin sign that said 30mph...why would they take notice of one showing 20mph unless it was enforced by something that actually MADE them slow down?

Does it need to be lower?

Why not lower the limit at the same time?

There's no rationale there!

Fair enough, but I've no alternative but to take your word for the unanimity of the situation and all I can speak from is my own experience (and that of a couple of colleagues') whereby the vocal minority campaign vociferously and steam roller the rest into submission. I've even had the conversation whilst chatting to a colleague outside his house:

"Oh lucky you, I see you've got a nice speed hump right outside your house".

"Yeah, the very spawn of Satan himself".

"You don't like it then"?

"bloody hate it mate, the noise when a truck goes over it at night shakes the whole house".

"Councils eh? Always doing stuff for our own good whether we like it or not..."

"Oh it was that old &*?^$t at No. 47 got a petition up and the bloody sheep round here all went and signed it, didn't they"!


...and so on.

Same sort of thing with speed cameras. Ask Ernest about the story that "all the residents of Ings" were in favour of one. He lives nearby and it turned out to be "not QUITE everyone"...

First of all. To Martin I must say . Look mate. I noted you started to waver rather a lot after your good lady posted her opposed opinions on here. Mate! I know what wimmin are like. I admit I knew what I fell for when I met Wildy

I have sisters and a mother who are all "hard headed and strong minded". I thus know what the wimmin in your life are or can be like

So .. I posted in your defence that you have a strong, hard headed woman as your mate in life. I know that they nag... dig.. dig their nails in your back when you think you are being a "gent" (OK - so Iget the spare room again for saying it My Mum told me never to go to bed on a tiff I admit again "wimmin" They are usually right - especially our Mums )

I hope I am making you feel welcome and comfortable again here. I suppose I am telling you that I would never knowingly post something back to you which is unfriendly in tone. I think my wife was trying to convey this to you. She's foreign. It somehow does not always "work"

So Martin - I think I am saying that I am listening to you or your wife . I may not agree at times with you - but we all want one goal anyway: safety.






I agree with you John and Observer. They do not work. I'd rather a sign on each lamp-post urging to "kill speed not people". I think cheaper/more cost effective and more "efficient"

I posted up a major issue over a Bolton area called "Chew Moor". I posted up a photo which appeared in the Bolton paper. It showed a speed hump. It reported that the speed humps do not seem to be slowing down drivers. I suspect the noise makes them think that the driving is fast. But this is residential area. Those with a speed gun claim every other driver is above the 20 mph lolly. I will bet most of them live on the estate though as I did do a Google Map recce. I will not post it up but will leave for others to explore this Weshoughton area and form their own opinion

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Perhaps you misread my posting when I said "WE ASKED the LA to put the speed humps in they obliged after a traffic study and reduced the speed limit to suit the new conditions."
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So you're saying that the humps can be safely and comfortably traversed at the limit?

EDIT: By the way, how many casualties in your neighborhood had been caused by speeding prior to this plea? Also, on who's expertise did your pressure group decide that lower speed limits and speed humps would improve your road's safety?

Sister in burb lives on road which now has humps. Resident who moved into area campaigned for these. Jazz (my sister) noted with some annoyance that he moved out within 6 months of getting his way over the humps claiming he found kids and the dustbinmen "disturbing his peace when they went over these humps!"


In the meantime Jazz tells me she lives with humps rotting to pot holes and cars speeding to screech to a halt at these humps.

She agrees that as a cyclist she finds them giving her that "funny feeling in tummy when going over at a speed!" and admits that she rides over them just to annoy some mealy mouthed idiots (as in the neighbour who happens to be a Labour councillor: (She's a teacher gasp! He's also an ex-teacher. Actually - they get on fine apart from her "whoops of glee" as she cycles over a hump past his house apparently - and he's against toll taxes too. Jazz thinks he's kind of hoping the humps fall apart and never get fixed.

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I'm saying no such thing..it's you who are attempting to put those words in my mouth.
Lets get this straight...
There was no pressure group(never ever said there was one)
We asked a question of the LA how the anti social stock car racing around residential properties could be prevented
The LA provided the answer
We agreed with the findings
The answer was installed.
The neighbourhood is safer and quieter now
What part of that do you have such a problem with?
Is it because you cannot understand how speed humps could actually SERVE a community rather than be a blight on them?
Or are you measuring the efficacy of EVERY situation of speed bumps against your own experience and decided that in every case they are a bad thing because the ones you know are crap?
I sympathise with you if your area has had these traffic calming measures foisted on you, but you have to know, there are some areas where they are asked for and are doing a good job, incredible as it may seem to you.

So how on earth do you explain that despite infesting the country with speed humps, speed cameras and speed limit reduction neither road deaths nor hospitalisations are falling as expected?

Safer? I should coco.

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Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Because people are crashing in other places?

The Camera Partnerships claim that the cameras are in the most dangerous places. They claim that average speeds reduce and they claim huge reductions in casualties (80% in Suffolk!).

If all that is true then people much be crashing a lot more in other places otherwise the numbers of people killed would be falling dramatically.