Safe Speed Forums

All speeds are potentially lethal, there's no such thing as a safe speed. I've been saying this for years!

However, I would not support installation of blanket 20mph limits on rural roads like you suggest I would.

Disproportionate to what exactly? The number of cows that witness such accidents or the number of Oak trees, with a girth of a meter or more, that get hit?

The A/mvkms rate, on rural roads, is about half of the rate for urban driving so what exactly do YOU mean.
Just in case you are not familiar with the above.
A= Accidents....or crashes to you.
/= per
m=million
v=vehicle
kms= kilometers
SO if the A/mvkm rate for rural roads is about 65 and A/mvkm rate for urban roads is about 35 , HOW on earth do you reckon that accident rates on rural roads is higher?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Sigh, ok then, Rural roads are much more dangerous places to be than urban roads.

http://www.rospa.com/roadsafety/advice/ ... t_0307.pdf

For instance

I will agree with you that rural roads are more dangerous than urban roads, if you mean that having an accident on them is more likely to kill or seriously injure you, than having an accident in an urban environment but to state that rural roads have far more accidents (which you originally did), we both know to be utter rubbish.

See the original argument by Whynot (that you foolishly jumped on with your.."Rural roads have far more accidents", claim) was discussing that drivers take more care in an NSL than Urban limits, due to the fact that driving at NSL speeds isn't always possible or safe and drivers have to actually think more, than they do in urban limits, which myself, Whynot and a few others, believe causes higher accident rates in inexperienced drivers..

At the same time, an accident on a motorway is more likely to kill or seriously injure you than having one on an urban road but motorways are considered to be some of the safest roads...why is that do you think?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Then again it all depends on what you define as "dangerous"...if dangerous can be defined as the chance of getting injured....the you have far more injuries on urban roads (165,000 in 2005) as opposed to only 105,000 (2005) on urban roads. Anyone can play with number ,Weepej but the fact is, you are more likely to have an accident in an urban environment and more likely to get injured...so to someone like myself, I would consider driving in an urban environment to be more risky and far more stressful, than a quiet cross country jaunt.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Read on - there is a safe speed, thousands of motorists/cyclists/bikers and ,surprise surprise pedestrians have applied the same rule for many years. The applied test ,is "Can you stop in the distance you see to be clear?" .
Answer ,yes- then you're getting it right.
Answer NO- then it's time to look at the speed vs distance .

Only thing wrong with this is in single road country, when you might meet someone who has failed to appreciate this simple fact .


EXTREME WEATHER FORECASTWEEPY has agreed that ROADS are not the problem . We have a CONVERT.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

What is the mysterious IT then?

Perhaps my eyes are getting DIM, but search as I can,I can't see the "IT" ,our young friend from the west alludes to .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Are you suggesting that we should all drive to the nsl no matter what the road or weather conditions might be, a good driver should not be impatient wether they are in a hurry or not.

I think Weepej is really getting his knickers in a twist on this one. He refers to an "IT" being dangerous but doesn't elaborate what an "IT" is.

He reckons country roads have far more accidents than urban ones because more people get killed on them.

And he now says that anyone not doing 60MPH on an NSL road is "forcing" all other drivers to make "bad decisions"....how bizzare.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Don't hold the front page just yet because he now says........

Quote Weepej:
Sigh, ok then, Rural roads are much more dangerous places to be than urban roads."

SO roads are not dangerous but "rural roads are much more dangerous places to be than urban roads."


Confused??....I am and I think Weepej is too.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

And ,there was a rhythm about some who came out of the west -someone called the "young lochinvar

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

Rural roads are more dangerous places to be than urban roads but it's not the roads that are dangerous.


I'm sorry, what exactly is confusing about that!?

No.

So situation where a driver is travelling at 40, driver behind thinks they can go faster, pulls an overtake, clips an oncoming vehicle.

Happens regularly, and the driver that pulled out may well be a perfectly good driver in normal circumstances, except today they were in a hurry and made a bad decision.

Here's another one:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=15414#p148096

Note the driver alludes to blaming the hedge for obstructing his vision, not his speed.

Really? How regularly? Do you have figures? I've done a lot of Rural driving (probably over half a million miles) and never seen it happen...so can't be that regular.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Ok then if it's not the roads that make Rural driving dangerous, what is it then? The drivers maybe....but they are the same drivers that use urban roads.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

The drivers "maybe".

Are you serious?!

Me too, and I've never seen it happen.

It does though, hundreds of times a week I imagine!

Imagination can be a dangerous thing. I often imagine what I would do if I won the lottery. Road safety shouldn't be down to imagination though! I think groups like BRAKE imagine things that aren't really happening and make a big song and dance about..."what if?"

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

So are you serious? Are you saying that drivers that are safe on urban roads, are suddenly dangerous on rural roads?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.