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Wow , Tone, Weepy is going to learn so much about road safety (probably double his knowledge) this weekend, he will think it's his birthday

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

In most European countries the driver of the vehicle is presumed at fault, unless they can prove absolutely there was nothing they could've done to avoid the situation, and that includes just going slower or being more observant or careful in the first place.

This is an anomaly in the UK that I hope is soon corrected.

And yes, if you come round a corner too fast and hit something that's in the road it is absolutely 100% your fault, you were driving like an idiot, dangerously in fact.

So if I was in the middle of a lane round a sharp bend in an NSL limit and you were coming around the corner in your car, would you not be able to stop in time?

So do you leave all the doors in your house unlocked because burglary is illegal?

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Not worthy of a response, nothing to do with the subject in hand.

Anyway, you can argue it is silly of me to go and stand round the corner of an NSL road knowing that some (a lot) of drivers/riders coming round the corner will hit me, but that does not absolve them of dangerous driving, in the same way that burglary is still illegal if I leave my doors and windows open.

I'm asking bigtone why I shouldn't be able to stand round the corner of a country road and be perfectly safe, he won't answer, and will just say it's a silly place to stand, but why?

That's a bit mean; when have I ever not answered a direct question? Anyway. .

It would be irresponsible of both parties, is what I'm saying. Yes, you're right that you SHOULD be able to stand in the middle of a road on a bend without getting hit, just as I should expect to be able to go around a bend and not see you standing there.

If you did I would be able to stop because I do not blaze around blind corners. But you would sh1t me up big time! So my question now is why do you want to sh1t drivers up who are doing nothing wrong or illegal?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Thank you, that's all you had to say, not the million words you've posted since.



Expect?

I'd strongly advise not to expect anything and everything when driving.

No, it's exactly the same principle, which you seem to accept in your next comment.


Nobody on here has ever claimed there aren't plenty of drivers who behave irresponsibly. So your behaviour, whether as pedestrian, cyclist or driver, needs to take account of that.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Well quite, but then I'm just hearing in the background, well if you stand round a corner on a country road it'll be YOUR fault you get hit.

Like BigTone, for instance. I can imagine him wanting me with my last gurgling breath to take my cap off, doff it to the driver that hit me and apologise for denting his front wing.

In a sense it would, as you would have foolishly placed yourself in a risky situation. If you know that illegal or irresponsible behaviour is commonplace, then a reasonable person would take precautions to protect themselves against it.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

That’s a bit disingenuous too! If you read the "million words” they outline how a responsible pedestrian should behave, just how the Highway Code outlines how drivers should behave. Yet I don’t hear you telling us what sound advice the million words are.

If you deliberately place yourself in a potentially dangerous situation where you could get hit I think you should bear some responsibility. Why, I hear you say? Simple!

You know the roads have many road users whom are likely to be dangerous or risky, and it has absolutely nothing to do with speeding for a change. You have: -

1) Learner drivers or new drivers gaining experience
2) Cyclists who may not have past any test.
3) Drivers who are old and their reactions are slow, but are still nonetheless legally allowed to drive.
4) And of course your favourite, speeding. But you’d be wrong there, as usual, because in such a situation they wouldn’t be speeding, (likely as not), which is why you may have hear just one or two on here over the years talk about a speed suitable to the conditions..

All this, and more, must be taken into account when you feel like you should be able to get your fisherman stool out and park your bum on it in the middle of a road.

So I ask you again, given the factors I have mentioned above, why do you feel it is some god-given right to be able to act so irresponsibly and sh1t-up a learner driver or dear old biddy in her Morris Minor with crap brakes? You seem to be trying to make a case for being an arse.

Oddly enough, speaking as a pedestrian, the only time this has very nearly happened to me was when I went from looking over a bridge down on a canal and walked to the other side and a cyclist came hacking around it and nearly bowled me over. Maybe it was you Weepej? I remember he shouted at me “I'm not speeding so it's your fault pedestrian”.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

So Tone, if a car mounts a pavement (which they do) and you are injured or killed as a pedestrian do you bear some responsibility for your choice to go out walking?

Or if another car drives into the back of you in a queue on the motorway do you bear some responsibility for your choice to go out driving?

These aren't things that even a five year old would consider dangerous things to do, however I hope that even five year olds would consider standing round a blind bend on a busy road to be downright stupid and only the sort of thing a stupid cantankerous scotsman would do when sober.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

What percentage of people do you reckon would be dangerously coming around that corner so as they'd hit your scotsman?

Very low but it doesn't mean it isn't a stupid thing to do, as opposed to stopping in a queue on a motorway or walking on a pavement.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

That’s a Straw man argument and you know it! (Not to mention a bit desperate of you). Pavements are generally for pedestrians. Roads are not for pedestrians but are at liberty to cross them in accordance with the guidelines I posted earlier. Go back and read them why don't you?

I could not walk the mile it takes to my local pub along the road. Or rather I could but most people, except you, would think it’s abnormal and puts my life at risk. In fact if a traf pol came along I’m pretty sure he’d have words with me to tune of “what the hec do you think you are doing? Have you been drinking sir?” To which he might hear "No I haven't. My name is weepej and I should be perfectly safe thank you".

So then, let’s extrapolate your argument and see if you will return my direct answers to you! Why shouldn’t you be able to walk down the middle of a road all the way to your destination? Or is it that you think you should be able to; just like standing in the middle of a road?

Come on now - answer me like I answered your direct question please!

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

No, peds are at liberty to be in roads full stop, they are a public space and not just for motor vehicles, in fact to use them people in motor vehicles have to pass a test and be licensed.

Those guidelines for peds you posted earlier are guidelines, primarily cos there are some right knobs out there that don't driver according to the law (in this case, driving too fast for the conditions, regardless of whether they are speeding or not)).

IIRC the only two things that a ped can do that's specifically illegal is loiter on a pedestrian crossing or walk along a motorway.

The Police as an institution can be very motorcentric, they like their cars, we see it here in London quite a bit too, sad isn't it.

It's a sad world that you've been forced off your road big tone so you don't inconvenience badly driven motor vehicles by getting blood splashed up their bonnet, aren't you angry about that?

ER, yes, why shouldn't I.

I'd walk by the side of the road myself, but I should be able to walk down the middle and come to no harm right? People would see me, slow down, pass me carefully, and then be on their way right?

What next? Do you want the right to have a baby too?

Just use the pavement FFS or keep to the right, where there isn't one. What's the matter with you!

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.