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What are you on? IIRC there were 56 fatalities arising from police chases alone in 2007; there were likely more joyrider fatals who weren't being chased. I think it is fair to say these guys were going a bit quick, so there's a few percent right there. Now they may not feature high in police records (that's another claim you pulled out of the air), but they do feature significantly in the speeding portion of the casualty stats; this is the point of relevance. Cameras can't do much against this dangerous driver group can they?


In terms of fatal and serious accidents (you know, 'casualties'), these feature as much as exceeding the speed limit [RCGB2007, table 4b].


Like you did with your 50% claim? At least we give reasonable qualitive explanations, which is more than anyone can say for you.

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Quite. But he's thinking about his career.
Note that the con party have already said they're going to have a bonfire of add-on non-governmental "public service" jobs when they get in. Going by their last bonfire at least 600,000 will go. I think we can safely say that the safety partnerships will go. Hopefully they will be closely followed by various trusts.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

So, is the majority of drivers the majority of people all of a sudden?

If the majority of shoplifters wanted it to be made easier to shoplift would you give them what they want?

How much do people who don't drive really know about road safety??? I don't ride horses , so wouldn't attempt to comment on what safe horse riding practice might be.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Once again, it is quite obvious that Weepej puts shoplifters (criminals) and drivers in the same category. Am I missing something here or does Weepej assume all drivers to be criminally minded?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

If you choose to break the law you are a criminal. If you inadvertently break a law of absolute liability you are a criminal.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

He's just pointing-out that both shoplifters and motorists traveling faster than the speed limit are criminals: Officially.
Speeding is a criminal offence !

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing

But by comparing the majority of shoplifters to the majority of drivers, can we really take this person seriously. The majority of drivers are law abiding normal people, whereas the majority of shop lifter.....well!


Surely the majority of drivers know more about what constitutes a safe speed limit than the the few office bound beurocrats that make these ridiculous limits that are sprouting every where.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Then you have cases where authorities go against police advice when setting speed limits (warwickshire and norfolk). Should the real road safety experts, the police, be ignored by these office bound "know alls"?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

They are the majority of people on the roads in question; indeed non-drivers need no say on motorway policies.

The longer the authorities ignore the will of the majority, the more their rules will be brought into disrepute and will be increasingly ignored by the majority.

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While democracy must obey the will of the majority, no democracy can work effectively without protecting the rights of the minority. The minority in this case being the non motoring road users.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

On motorways?

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No, of course not. Is this thread confined to discussion of speeding on Motorways?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Your reply was in response to my prior post which was about motorways; It seemed (to me) that I should clarify this.

So how do you feel about the 'majority' issue on motorways?

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I am not quite sure what you ar proposing. That there should be a referendum amongst motorway users to set the speed limit. Would that be on a per motorway basis?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

If YouGov/Admiral's survey is anything to go by - I think the referendum is already done.

Is it right that the limit should be increased to reflect the wishes of the majority of its users? (who are already safely ignoring the current one anyway)


That's a good question.
Finger in the air, I tend towards saying no (i.e. have a blanket rise) otherwise it gets a bit complicated, although perhaps a raised limit should initially apply only at off peak times.

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Some might feel that passengers in cars travelling on motorways have a legitimate view on it, but it's not one that I would press too strongly.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

This is very true and was something I did already consider (honestly). I don't think the majority of motorway drivers carry passengers with them (that purely a subjective recollection on my part) and a portion of passengers are motorways drivers anyway, so I wrote off this factor as insignificant.

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I don't agre with car passengers who are non drivers being able to regulate motorway speeds. Unless they drive, they don't know the first thing about car/motorway safety.

I travel by train and plane a lot but would never dream of poking my nose into the affairs of rail/flight safety because, frankly I don't have a clue, so have sufficient intelligence to know that I shouldn't even try, for fear of making a total "cockup", which is exactly what we are seeing on the roads right now.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

How far do you have to go protecting minority rights, before you get to the stage that the rights of the majority are threatened ?
I used to take my children walking around a wood....now my children cannot take THEIR children walking around those same woods because the woods are now used by gay men looking for sex with other gay men......it gets a bit difficult trying to answer the question "why is that man wearing a skirt dad"
As I said: The rights of the minorities are being protected to the exclusion of the majority. In every field of life.

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The world runs on oil, period. No other substance can compete when it comes to energy density, flexibility, ease of handling, ease of transportation. If oil didn’t exist we would have to invent it.”

56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing