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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

i'll leave you to guess what the requirement for hand brakes is...... i.e. your emergency secondary braking system

Are you going to justify your accusation that I pigeon-holed you?

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Aye, that's a bit of an eye opener - or, indeed, the requirements for the failed servo test and only one half of a split braking system! Do you have any sort of gut feeling for a typical deceleration vs time graph for an "ordinary" car stopping as hard as possible from (say) 80? I was talking to someone who works for a major manufacturer today and was told that they put their hazards on automatically at about 0.65G deceleration - which backs up your earlier comment that 0.9 is REALLY "standing on the anchors".

Good. Now try words of two syllables

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

I respectfully dissagree dcbwhaley.

SS examines the facts which many treat as fiction. But the truth fears no question and I have never seen SS shy from any genuine question/er concerning road safety with opposing views.

Indeed, I have witnessed posters and posts tolerated here which would never be tolerated elsewhere.

Tony

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

That is true. You do allow that. But nevertheless posters whose views do not accord with the majority can expect a savage response.

I have been called a "neo-Nazi corporate-fascist" for extolling the environmental advantages of public transport (and called precious and over-sensitive when I complained to the moderator who declined to admonish the poster who said that).
My professional standing and work ethic was impugned when I tried to defend the public sector's involvement in road safety ( and was castigated by the moderator when I mounted a vigorous defence)
I have been called a "Freak" for discussing, in General Chat, the local level of rainfall (and again been admonished for returning the insult)

But what prompted the quote at the top was this. I said that I thought that I differed from many on what I considered a safe speed. Steve invited me to expand on that and I did so, albeit not very well. In return I was savaged by RobinXe whom accused me of an ad hominem attack on him.

That does sound like I am whingeing but not so. My back is broad and , wrapped in the cloak of righteousness, I can take a lot of flak ( I wish that certain other posters could take criticism with the same ease as they give it). But it does rather give the lie to your protestations of tolerance.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Speaking as someone who knows what it is to be flamed, (which I won't go into), I have seen nothing here which could be regarded as anything more than very tame by comparision and let's not forget, it does work both ways.

It's common on most forums for the dominant clique to react defensively against anything seen as arrogance, unjustified criticism or sometimes if they just don't like the way you 'smell'. I admit I have on occasion done this, borne from frustration at what I have taken to be deliberate missrepresentation of SS or subtle attacks at the glaringly obvious.

But then I never said I was perfect

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Quite

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

That wasn't a critisizm of SS or you, just a personal observation based on my experience of attending the University of Forums.

(BTW by "smell" I mean an almost 6th sense I've noticed some here have for detecting alterior motives which I'm not the best at picking-up on). Argument on forums, sometimes heated, is a part of the process which is not really so different to real life; in families or Parliment for example. Winston Churchill and Lady Astor often had a full and frank exchange of words.

IMO, SS strikes a perfect balance between freedom of speech and out-and-out flaming. If you want to know how bad it can get I can point you to one or two places where you could become toast.



But as I've said before, we are in danger of arguing more about the ingredients than the cake. So what do you really think about speed kills? Is it really that simple?

BTW. As someone who came in on this thread late and read it from the start, 9 pages ago, all I saw way back on page 1 was you calling odin a freak. To someone, anyone, coming in fresh it would look like you started it or at the least are bearing a grudge from something else. In his replies back to you he was civil, you were not.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Is anything really that simple, Oscar?


I feel no obligation to be civil to people who are advancing idiotic arguments

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

Or indeed to offer any proof that they are idiotic it would seem.

A break from the negativity...

I've been meaning to thank you Mole for your earlier reply to me. Numbers always do it for me

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Views expressed are personal opinions and are not necessarily shared by the Safe Speed campaign