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That is NOT what I said, Weepej. And you know it.

If you cannot participate in a debate without twisting what people say (including the late founder of SafeSpeed who, as has been pointed out is not here to defend himself)), then it is a poor lookout for your attitude.

You seem unable to accept that there might be valid reasons for people to believe that speed cameras are either totally wrong or are all too often used for the wrong reasons and placed in the wrong locations.

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But do YOU think that ALL speed cameras should be scrapped?

Does Safe Speed?

This is important and needs reiterating. The Safespeed campaign needs people who do not agree and it needs them to post on the forums. It has been repeated enough that we welcome people who can argue against the safespeed position on all topics.

All we ask is that they do so in a structured way that addresses points without reverting to trolling or personal attacks. If they can back up their point with stats or documents or the such like.

We do actually have a number of regular posters that are not necessarily "pro Safespeed" but who post in a manner that good quality discussion can take place and this is something we need to encourage more and more (not that we haven't in the past)

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Upton Sinclair

Tell you what, weepej. You answer MY question and then I will answer your subsequent question. OK?

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I almost feel like I should call this 'coming in from the cold' part deux. A title the late great Paul gave to my very first post on Safe Speed

"Oh no! Is he gunna do one of his long post again?"

Yep! And if your looking down Paul, here I go again : -


In one of my first monologs on Safe Speed, amongst other things, I remember mentioning long distance drivers and how they are most likely to be amongst the best, most experienced, and safest drivers who bless our wonderful land. The lifeblood of our nation if fact, and yet they are the most vulnerable to being zapped!

I can relate to their plight, as indeed I suspect others will here, who also make long journeys in their work or just to go somewhere nice to offset the shitty work life we all endure, ever more so these days.

Nearly every year for about the past 17 years I go from Birmingham to see my friend who moved to Paignton and my journey down south is much the same story each and every year...

I set off at about 4:00 a.m with the intention of getting to Devon at 7:30ish, to avoid congestion. It's only 186 miles. I've often done well over 500 miles a day in my time, on this and different continents, but it's still a jaunt nonetheless. Believe me, you do not want to get into Devon, on the A380, much later than 7:30ish a.m in the summer.

So I set off nice and steady and once I join the motorway, junction 4 M5 south, I'm doing an indicated 75 mph, (which I know to be just the wrong side of 70mph, according to my Sat Nav), but nothing I should get done for. I keep this up for quite a long time...

It's the same pattern each year: By the time I've been on the road for what seems like an eternity, somewhere near Somerset, I'm head-butting the steering wheel with boredom tiredness and frustration at the senselessness of this modest pace on a big road under safe conditions. I have the windows up and down, stretching my calves to get the blood back up past my knees, I've got the radio on/off and end up listening to something like The Prodigy shouting to myself "I'm a fire starter, twisted fire starter" just to help keep myself alert.

There's virtually nothing on the motorway, I've had three lanes almost to myself for about 100 miles by now and there's only so many stop-breaks and coffee you can drink at grossly over-inflated motorway station prices before I start to feel this is ridiculous!

So I do the unthinkable... I get up to an indicated 80-85 mph. Now it feels like I'm getting somewhere and is the speed they use in France on exactly the same roads as ours, but I'm in illegal territory now! I have suddenly become a "terrorist" and "murderer" (by gatsos forever's definition).

After about 90 minutes of this sort of journey, almost any experienced driver would realise that not only is it safe to go a bit quicker than 70mph on a motorway under these circumstances but also that it is in both the driver's and everyone else's best interest to get to the destination as quickly as possible - if it's realistic to do so safely of course. Country’s like Germany and France understand this well.

The very safest roads we, or anyone else in the world have, are motorways. I believe that is a fact but correct me if I'm wrong?

So tell me that it's 70 mph in Great Britain because it's the law. Tell me it's 70mph because it's greener than 85 mph. But don't try and tell me it's 70 mph because it's dangerous to go any faster, because that simply isn't the case! If it were, by your account gf, I should have been killed a long time ago - along with all the other suicidal "murderous" "terrorist" continental drivers and speeders.

You know why I think accidents happen on our motorways? Not speed, but lack of concentration and being too close to the vehicle in front! Germany has a law against it and I would back it 100% if it were being introduced here in Britain!

I don't know who is credited for saying it but I totally agree with 'Only a fool breaks the two second rule - and if it's wet then double et'! I find very few people observe this.

I've have had my fill of seeing pain suffering and misery, including RTA's, so here's my version. (Sorry, I'm no Robert Burns) : -


Speed is dangerous, in the wrong place
I'm not here to preach or just save my face

I break the speed limit but I'm safe as can be
the last thing I want is to kill you or me

Do you see that child at the side of the road?
I'd better slow down, as slow as a toad.

That cyclist in front can hear me behind
So I'll slow down, make distance, and be very kind

It looks like a car but if the driver is mean
If it's in the wrong hands it's a killing machine

I don't exclude bikers, for you can kill too
If you ride like a nut, take the adrenaline pill.

Speed kills, it is said, go slow, take your time
If you want to avoid the chancellor’s fine

The law says a figure is all that you need
Nothing else matters, just look at your speed

But I'm safer than you, you slow speed fool
As you trundle along with drink/drugs looking cool

Your type won't be caught in this camera age
You can treat all our roads just as though you're on stage

Your 'audience' loves you, a model citizen
But exceed the speed limit and you're sure to be done.

But don't be deceived by the governments platter
They'll have you believe that speed is the matter.

It suits them well for us to believe.
It lines their pockets as they try to deceive.

Just how many times have they looked like a stinker?
They've fooled us before, hook line and sinker.

Paul Smith fought for right over might, past tense
A posthumous victory for common sense?

Drive safely, use COAST, and we'll all make tomorrow.
Let's all hope for an end to the pain and the sorrow.


gatsos forever - I think you are an idiot. If it were up to you I would be banned from driving! But I wouldn't think twice about helping you if you needed help. Whether we will have a license to enable us to carry on helping you or others for much longer is a different question.

Time will tell. Or as crw might say, time well tell. (bless him)

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Big Tone, well said!

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A heaping serving of wisdom and experience. Thanks.

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The Rules for ALL ROAD USERS:
1) No one gets hurt
2) Nothing gets hit, except to protect others; see Rule#1
3) The Laws of Physics are invincible and immutable - so-called 'laws' of men are not
4) You are always immediately and ultimately responsible for your safety first, then proximately responsible for everyone's
Do not let other road users' mistakes become yours, nor yours become others
5) The rest, including laws of the land, is thoughtful observation, prescience, etiquette, decorum, and cooperation

Answer to your question, which if you can't be bothered to quote, nor can I: because I wanted you to explain why you'd re-registered as hjeg2, which you subsequently did (though with two more questions in the answer...), and I replied:



So I'm not sure what answer you're waiting for. But I've asked the following in this thread and I'm not aware of answers, though I'm an awful skim-reader when it comes to long posts! Warning: some of them probably don't make much sense out of context.



Which you answered with a question, which isn't really an answer, is it....



(Don't worry, I'm not going to ask you out.... )







OK. Admittedly you answered that, by saying you didn't know but then tacked on another question....

So I'm not sure it's complete rubbish to say that you ask a lot but don't answer many

Thought this would be of more interest to trolls - --

desirable troll residences( with pictures ) ---something to get them drooling,perhaps .

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

You sound like you're addressing that to me?

You know my opinion on speed cameras. Breaking the speed limit is breaking the law, if you get caught you can't complain.

The place could be totally covered with speed cameras and I wouldn't be complaining.

If you get snapped by one you'll be exceeding the limit by quite a margin, and IF it is a "mistake" (and I reckon 80% are not mistakes, but cases where the driver was intentionally breaking the limit) then maybe you'll be more observant regarding signage next time.

We wonder why our young are running riot, going out of their way to disobey rules and laws; great example from the many of the adults on this site!

I wouldn't like to support them if they believe all speed cameras should be scrapped, I think that's ridiculous, dangerous and unworkable.

I've offered support before, if we want to lower the ridiculous amount of injuries occuring on our road network, I reckon 80% of people need to slow down by good 15%, even more in certain circumstances.

Weepej, you did not actually answer my question.

But I will give you my opinion of speed cameras.

In the main, they are useless. They give us an historical picture of what happened weeks ago before the camera film was changed.

I think that there needs to be a proper survey of ALL speed cameras. Those placed using falsified or twisted statistics should be removed.

I would increase the number of police officers on patrol, both on foot and in patrol cars. (PCOs who wanted to be made proper police officers could be trained to become police officers to provide the necessary recruits.)

I would then look at the option of having REAL safety cameras. Not what are, in effect, box Brownies.

These CCTV cameras would be place at all genuine points of need and would be monitored 24/7 by a combination of human operators and by computer systems designed to assist the human operators.

They would be able to differentiate between drivers driving safely at 32/33mph and those driving dangerously at 60/70mph or driving dangerously at 20mph, for example.

The problem is these would cost money. They would almost certainly not be the one armed bandits designed to rip off motorists rather than genuinely promote road safety.

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That assumes you either wrote the law or you support it.
I didn't write it, I don't support it and the police do not have my consent to enforce it.

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Andrew.

There are some sectors of the community who disagree with "age of consent" law. Not just pederasts, but people who have moved here from countries that allow children to be married and have full marital relations (some areas of the USA, for example).

They don't agree with the UK legal age of consent, they did not write the law, nor do they support it.

Are they equally at liberty to choose which laws they will not follow? Are the police bothered that they have not been given "consent" to enforce it?

No, of course they aren't.

The rule of law is commonly accepted as a fundamental part of a democracy. The right to appeal or campaign against a law is also fundamental, but nowhere is the right to choose which laws to obey considered part of a democracy.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Yeah, like everyone who is under 16 (18) and wants to have sex!

If such a similar law is so different across different countries, which one has it correct? Or are they all wrong? They can't all be right!


I thought policing was meant to be done by consent?


If only we had the right to get the law changed. They ignore appeals. They ignore campaigning. They just want to restrict, control and steal from us.

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Andrew.

I've just realised.

I'm going to be the subject of a dawn raid by the Police tomorrow, as I broke the law three times this afternoon.

1) You know that thin strip of cellophane that separates the top cellophane wrapper of a pack of fags from the bottom? You know. It's about 0.5mm wide? I threw that out of my car window.

2) I stole a paperclip from the office

3) I did an indicated 70 in a 60

No-one was hit. No-one was hurt (thanks Rush). And I kissed my wife 10 minutes earlier than if I'd stopped at a newsagent to buy some paperclips, and stuck rigidly to every single idiotically-applied speed limit in the Telford area. This is good.

Application of COAST, and good progress meant a little extra quality time with Mrs S.

We're not here for a long time.

We're here for a good time.

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Simon

An interesting point, Handy, and had you not gone for the all too predictable "paedophile" angle I would have had much more respect for your argument.

The problem is that you are not comparing like with like. The "age of consent" is fixed, and is known by everyone. That's the "Rule of Law". It doesn't change from district to district, and it is immune from tinkering by local councils. It is an absolute invariable, and applies throughout the land.

Speed limits, in contrast, are extremely variable, and seem these days to be almost arbitrary; indeed some of them would appear to be designed either to entrap - with speed cameras (mobile or stationary)- or to conform to some socio-political agenda.

The whole ethos of SafeSpeed as far as I am concerned (and this is purely my own understanding) is that the government has placed all its road safety eggs in the speed cameras basket, to the detriment of real road safety and for the "quick win" of instant revenue. Weepej and others who bemoan our antipathy towards speed cameras fail to accept the other side of the SafeSpeed argument - that we need more real, live traffic police to enforce genuine road safety, rather than relying on automatic revenue-generating machines.

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

You are an evil, selfish, anti-social, child-killing maniac whose actions will destroy this planet and all life on it. You should be hung by your balls with piano wire (because burning at the stake would create too big a "carbon footprint").

Or to put it another way - Proper job! (Apart from the paperclip - straight to hell for that one, I'm afraid)

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Save a cow - eat a vegetarian

Think globally?



The age of consent is NOT fixed when one moves from place to place.

cue predictable response "mumble mumble whine groan yeah but no but anyway I want to drive faster than the law allows"

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.