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Sorry Handy but I have to disagree.

An offence is comitted by a named individual only when it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.

In the case of a speeding offence that evidence is made up of two pieces of evidence that the car was exceeding the speed limit, in the case of a device operated by a person:

1. The prior opinion of an officer that the car was exceeding the posted speed limit
2. The corroboration of the device (in this case LTI 20:20)

Without both of these no case can be proved therefore the offence did not take place.

If I accuse you of speeding, does that mean you've committed a crime just because I have said so, or would you expect evidence? If I couldn't provide that evidence, would you accept punishment for the crime you have supposedly committed, or would you argue in court? If the court backed you up, would you be happy with people saying that you must have committed the crime anyway because someone accused you?

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Carl Prescott

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Not denying something is not the same as admitting to it.

I think you will find that standing up in court and just pleading not guilty doesn't carry much weight.

In fact, has the "businessman" entered a not guilty plea? I would count that as a pretty definate denial.

I've just had a phone call to say the defence lost the case. The information was third hand.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

5 points (edited : initaly told 6)
£200 fine
£1100 costs

Prosicution wanted £3000 (updated)
the costs are disproportionate to the fine and that alone is a peverse judgement.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

The Magistraites fudged it to say that nothing says that civilians can't use the laser gun , there fore they can... Wiltshire are like that. They are not part of europe either (lol)

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Is there going to be an appeal? Such an important, technical and significant case is worthy of a higher court in my opinion, able to interpret such complex legal arguements.

Anyone else get the feeling that no court in the land is going to dare to stop the gravy train? That they will fudge cases endlessly to keep it going? That when it comes to making money from the motorist, British justice is corrupt to the core?

Bar stewards.

Mika is definatly going to appeal

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Yeah. Depressingly so.

That's one of the reasons that Pepipoo can't win the whole war. The other is that if a lump of dodgy legislation gets taken out it can be replaced by further legislation.

But the Safe Speed work does not have such limitations.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

My feelings also, as I already said, "it all works like a mafia and the government are in on it. It’s a feeding frenzy by greedy people who are only looking after their own interests".

This country is getting worse by the day!

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Useless laws weaken necessary laws.

The court reduced the costs.(still disproportionate) ACPO's attempt to inflate the costs was a partial failure... is there a story there? only winning 20% of thier costs after vowing publicly to inflate court costs by £4000

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Wiltshuire be a coun'ry unto itself you.

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Science won over religion when they started installing lightning rods on churches.

Apparently, over £2k of the requested costs were because ACPO had to deal with the media over the weekend, taking up lots of their time. I don't know about anyone else, but the idea of a private company attempting (and by the sounds of things, almost succeeding) to inflate costs in criminal court cases for such frivolous reasons as "having to deal with press" is a scary thought.

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Carl Prescott

Great! Does that mean I can buy the equipment and nab the scamera operators in their private vehicles?

news story : I will fight on.

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Speed limit sign radio interview. TV Snap Unhappy
“It has never been the rule in this country – I hope it never will be - that suspected criminal offences must automatically be the subject of prosecution” He added that there should be a prosecution: “wherever it appears that the offence or the circumstances of its commission is or are of such a character that a prosecution in respect thereof is required in the public interest”
This approach has been endorsed by Attorney General ever since 1951. CPS Code

Saw the morning bit - q??? - was the interviewer trying /sucking up for a knighthood. Most biased bit of interviewing i've seen for a long time