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I would go into reception and ask them to get someone to remove it. I would keep asking until they did so. Best find out who (or which organisation) actually put the sticker on your car. They did the damage, they should sort it out.

I would ask them to cite which laws you have broken that "you" have "parked illegally". Again I'd ask them quite a few times if they refused to do this. Of course they won't be able to. So the sticker is in fact a lie. I would also look into "libel".

Note the wording. "you" are parked illegally. Are they referring to the car as "you" or have you parked yourself illegally? Persistent "offenders" will be towed away. Is the car offending or are you offending?

They can make up whatever rules they want but if you disobey them there's little else they can do to "enforce" them other than get you to leave their land and/or remove your property. I think the word is "tort" but I've not looked into it.

The other thing they can do involves contracts, as I mentioned before, but they will probably be worded just as well as that sticker so you have little to worry about.

Actually, the presence of the stickers could indicate that they are going to be beginning "civil parking enforcement". That'll be fun.

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Andrew.

The glue on these things is the same as/similar to the adhesive on thief proof tax disc holders.

Have you tried getting one of them off?

Diddums.

Whatever did people do before cars.

A fraction of the things they are able to now. Your point?

Thanks Ziltro.

I took your advise. They looked at me stangely as if I was from outer space, but did eventually agree to remove the sticker.

When I mentioned libel and the criminal damage act, the reception seemed to laugh but definately took it seriously.

I suppose I will have to wait until easter to see what the scenario is.


Thanks again, and to everyone who's contributed to the thread.

Hehe.
Did they tell you what law you (or was it your car?) had broken?

Reminds me of a story someone said on PePiPoo. Council had put a Penalty Charge Notice on his car. It said words to the effect that "it is an offence for anyone other than the driver or an official to remove or tamper with this notice" so, as nobody was driving when it was attached, and not wanting to commit an offence, he called the council and asked them to send someone to remove it. Apparently they did.

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Andrew.

Firstly, the sticker is situated in the area swept by the wipers - so if you drive off with it, there is a chance you might be driving illegally... you certainly wouldn't get through an MOT.

Secondly, it is not going to come off with water - only the paper surface.
Try heating it by turning on the de-mister on a high heat setting.
Acetone will remove any residue left after you have scraped off the rest, but might affect your wiper blades!

I would think this will take so long that you are likely to be still there when the bus arrives!

Have you thought about having a valet company come out and remove it and sending the college the bill?
If you cannot drive home until it is removed, and dont have the wherewithall in your car to sort it before you drive, this might be the only recourse!!

Finally I am told some youths regard their ASBO's as a matter of pride. Matbe you should just leave the sticker there and see if it earns you kudos with the rebels in your area!!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

Two pages on a poxy orange sticker, lets all march on Whitehall and tell them how outraged we all are

Just as well we really don't have anything to really worry about in this country isn't it?

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

It's not just a sticker. It's criminal damage and an invalid allegation.

From there it goes on to demanging money with menaces, issuing something proporting to be a legal document, falsifying evidence (NCP), and so on.

If you like private parking 'enforcement' then here's a little thread on PePiPoo: Private PCN / Parking Ticket - Wild Bean Cafe BP Gatwick Connect Petrol Station!
Note how nobody has been taken to court yet.

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Andrew.

No, it isn't criminal damage and I've pointed you to a reference which states as much, sheesh how many more times?

Got that? It isn't criminal damage Ziltro, and I'd wager my mortgage on the fact if CAMS has the bottle to follow such a claim through into court and he/she wins on those grounds.

But now, thanks to the advice and suggestions you offered safe in the knowledge that it wasn't you who was going to have to follow them through, the OP has now made themselves look like a complete idiot in front of the receptionist who, I'll also wager, no more takes the allegations seriously as I have a chance of winning Wimbledon this year.
In fact, here's a challenge for you Ziltro, put your money where your half-baked ideas are. Offer to fund the OP's claim of libel and criminal damage through a court

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Sorry, I thought from what you wrote that it wouldn't be criminal damage if it could be removed easily, but then we find out that it would require some kind of solvent or cleaning product to be used which means there is a cost involved with removing it, and thus it is?

Don't follow my advice, I'm only human.

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Andrew.

Your Norfolk definition mentioned not criminal damage if no cost is incurred.
In this case, it is unlikely that anyone would have the means to remove the sticker with them in the car, and it would be unwise to drive with the sticker in place.
I would suggest that because of this, then criminal damage would be unlikely to stick (no pun intended!) but if you called the police, they might be minded to force the college to remove it, or be charged with criminal damage.

I used to work in a hotel which clamped cars which were not belonging to residents of the hotel, and an A4 sticker was stuck on the screen in front of the driver, so as to prevent them from driving off without realising they were wearing a Denver Boot - the difference was the Avery sticker could be peeled off in one piece if warm, and tackled with care.
The Hotel company solicitors advised on the wording of the warning notices, the stickers and the circumstances in which they were to be used.
The release fee was £20 - of which half went to charity. Drivers rarely complained, as they usually knew they should not have been there.
I did once clamp a car whose driver had given a false registration number when he checked in - but then the lady he claimed was his wife wasn't either!!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

The Norfolk police site mentions letting down tyres as not being criminal damage yet cost could be incurred in re-inflating them. We are still down to opinions though and we could extrapolate infinite possible scenarios each of which leads to a different conclusion, thats why in an early post I pointed out that its up to a court to decide. That said, do you really think the police are likely to attend a 'sticker on car' incident?
Ultimately the point I was trying make, perhaps a little harshly, is thats its very easy to sit at our computers and bash out advice to a complete stranger based upon how we think things should be. People have been successfully sued for offfering crap advice to others, that much I do know.

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Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Years ago, when I was a student, the educational establishment decided that one particular car park would be reserved for lecturers only. We didn't think that was especially fair!

After a while, the university sent out a newsletter to all parking permit holders emphasising this but (rather stupidly, we thought!) stating that they had bought two wheel clamps and would clamp any vehicle that violated this rule...

...so we (the car club) bought a couple of scrap cars and left them in the car park. Sure enough, they both got clamped - after which everyone was able to use the car park again! It was a couple of terms before the authorities twigged!

Sorry to ressurect an old topic but i missed the origional debate.

Back in the day we had a simlar problem at college - car park turned to staff only without any consideration to students needing secure parking due to the college being in one of the dodgier areas of Glasgow.

The method of rebelling we chose we found by accident. Apply methylated spirit to the sticker a few times - it looks like it instantly dries and is doing nothing but after a few wipes it can be peeled off in one piece and is still sticky. It can now be re-applied to whatever surface you like and the meths evaporates They soon stopped issueing those!

Bribery worked when I was at uni. £5.00 a week to park in the heart of South Ken.