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The Conservatives were in power when speed cameras were first introduced and the poxy fuel duty esculator . Are they now going to have a rethink?

Surely to god some, one in a position of power or influence will look at the accident stats of when cameras were introduced and compare them to now and ask the camera partnerships to justify their figures. Every time a new camera is planted or a speed limit is reduced, we get told it will reduce KSI's by x%. Logically multiplied by the total number of cameras the total KSI's should have fallen to vitually zero by now, but they are much the same as the pre camera era. If this was any other good or service being sold to us there wouold be a pretty strong case of miss-selling would there not? It's reminds me of all the money that gets pumped into public services, the answer is never manage what you have better, it is always shovel more cash at it.

Genius!

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

a week of little sleep and an excellent rioja can have startling effects!!

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Fig leaf? You mean, as in covering up the fact that (s)he's a...?

Sorry, I've just had enough of these people today. I think that alongside the camera meltdown coundown, we need a "reasonable camera advocate countup" which shows the number of days since we last had a reasonable, sensible, non-trolling, sincere, interesting, original camera advocate on this site. (It would need to be programmed carefully though, avoiding the use of integers, since IIRC they can't be larger than 32767.... )

Having said that, how could I forget Peyote? I don't know whether he would describe himself as a complete camera advocate, but if so, then great! We're now up to one quality camera advocate every few years!


Incredible isn't it? Person jumps in front of a train, and it's the person's fault. Person jumps in front of a car, and it's the driver's fault. The urge to blame drivers for everything eclipses all reason.

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Integers can be ANY whole value, both positive and negative.

Hmmm..

When you are losing an argument mpaton you try picking on something esoteric.

So what about the rest of the argument?

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

She's also shown that she knows absolutely nothing about programming, but as usual, just because she knows nothing about something it doesn't stop her making statements about it as though she's some kind of authority. It's what control freaks do I suppose.

(For those reading, an integer in programming can only go up to 32767 (I think), or 2^15 - 1, as it's only allowed to take up a certain number of bits of storage. Obviously, as any stupid idiot knows (the proof's above), an integer in mathematics has no upper or lower value.)

Sorry Tone, I won't add to the distraction anymore. Keep persevering, though sadly I doubt you'll get anywhere.

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

It's you who knows nothing about programming, well maybe except GW-BASIC. You are making a fool of yourself.

Gee Whiz, can we get back on topic.

10 "Am I a nob-head?"

GOSUB 1000

20 "Do speed cameras save lives?"

100 GOSUB 2000

200 "CONGRATULATIONS! You have just condemned another few thousand to a fate known as KSI"

I'll see some of them later thankyou

"THE END"
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1000 "YES YOU ARE"

1010 RETURN

2000 "YES"

2010 RETURN


Wait for the nitpicking...

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

Mod to programme -

20 "Do speed cameras save lives?"

100 GOSUB 2000




2000 "is there money to be made "
2010 if "yes " goto 4000
2020 if "no" goto 4050


4000 install another camera
4010 return
4050 find another site
4060 return

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

And jec shows yet again, for the last time (thank GOD), that she never lets the facts get in the way of anything:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integer_(computer_science)

She likes to tell those with software engineering degrees that they know nothing about programming. She liked to tell Paul Smith that he knew nothing about road safety. Basically, no-one knows anything about anything except her, and therefore she's always right by default in every debate.

Poor Martin Paton, that's all I can say. Living with a pathological control freak who will never admit when she's wrong: it's a wonder that he's still got his marbles.

And what have all the pathological control freaks who will never admit when they're wrong got in common? Yep: they support cameras, no matter how much evidence is produced against them, because ultimately control is more important to these people than saving lives. It's tragic, literally.

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Integers can be much larger than 32767.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_integer

(I'm not sure if Pythion really has unlimited length integers or just no-practical-limit. I don't see how you can store an unlimited length number without unlimited memory???)

Well yes, long integers can be larger. Using Java as an example though, I've always understood "integer" with no qualifier to refer to the "int" type (which is supposed to be used by default for integers, and can I think only go up to 32767), as opposed to the "long" type. At least that's what I was taught (IIRC) at uni, and TBH I haven't really had to bother checking that sort of thing much since (I tend to use PHP these days, where you can be lazy about that sort of thing!)

Ultimately it depends on the number of bits allocated and whether you can have negatives; a 16-bit signed integer can only go up to 32767. What is definite is that there's always some sort of limit, however high it is, so "mpaton2004" (aka jec) is (unsurprisingly) wrong.

I should probably have said "standard integer" or something in the first place, but it was only supposed to be a throwaway comment, to emphasise how long we've had without anything much in the way of decent opposition!

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Paul Smith: a legend.

"The freedom provided by the motor vehicle is not universally applauded, however: there are those who resent the loss of state control over individual choice that the car represents. Such people rarely admit their prejudices openly; instead, they make false or exaggerated claims about the adverse effects of road transport in order to justify calls for higher taxation or restrictions on mobility." (Conservative Way Forward: Stop The War Against Drivers)

Please folks.... for goodness sake argue what is written not who wrote it or what the author may or may not be for holding opinion. All the degeneration and sniping does is twist knives - and a lot more knives than the one being held by the barb-loaded posts.

The Safe Speed admin team have been advised by Martin Paton that all posts made under his user account have been made by him personally.

If anybody believes this not to be the case, then can you please take it up either with a member of the admin team or with him directly, rather than posting it on the forums.

The repeated speculation that posts have been made by his wife/partner is offensive and serves no useful purpose. Any further posts of this nature will be deleted.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Well.. let's just say Martin appears to be a Stepford husband at times. I understand as my Alice can be "forceful at times "


I feel very sad over all this as I've always tried to be friendly to all regardless. I am sure "martin2 knows that I and the Mad cats did respect the views and replied politely - and if there was a "teasing" - I am sure "martin "was intelligent enough to see this as intended.

I WILL WISH HIM AND HIS - ONLY THE BEST IN LIFE!

But back to topic.

Do 20 mph limits on residential work?

No.. You see .. the residents on these roads "speed." We once did a speed audit on a rural residential village.. only to find the folks who complained in the first place were the ones we sent the NIPS to... somehow . they never complained thereafter. I cannot think why

Did our NIPS deter though? We found we had to monitor on a regular basis to show that "business was meant" We are a force which wil punish if all other options fail. I think we have the "upper hand" now. Without threat to personal mobilty either. You see - enforcing the law can be reasoned logic led instead of punishment led. I think we achieve more by reason than merely fining folk.. but I do qualify by stating that some idiots leave us with no other option open all the same We do not condone stupid... but we will judge professionally


We will prosecute any careless/dangerous/undue cares/inconsiderates all the same. By doing so - we set a firm message and it might be why we are statistically "safer" We can never eradicate stupid acts.. but we can try all the same

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

In Gear,

"my" village has a parish mag and in it was a little article about how there had been complaints about "speeding" though the village. Now, I live on the High Street and it's a 30 limit, but don't realy see the problem. There is the odd git with a noisy exhaust that should be hung from the power lines, but most people are ok I'd say. Besides the only people that come here live here, we're surrounded by water!

Anyway I emailed the local plod and said that I didn't want radars waved at me in the name of safety and thought it better to engauge with the locals. So he made an appointent to come and see me and was a top bloke, I don't want to quote him, but suffice to say we had quite a bit of common ground . He did say though that speeding wasn't the only thing a lot of his "customers" were doing wrong, tax insurance, mot etc, so if his being there is making their life uncomfortable then good, which is what cameras can't do . Appartently the local councilor who instigated the "crack down" was one of his first "customers", 37 in a 30 .

Then the theory that only residents speed holds water //

Sorry .. but that was just begging for the statement of the proverbial obvious!



Oh sure // we target other things here. Speed is not such an issue for us. It;s the other more serious and endangering offences and really why Paul Garvin and now Jon Stoddart target the real criminals and not the ordinary who blip over for a second or sos from time to time .. but not for miles on end here


We try to enforce all laws objectively and fairly here. We think we are obliged to do a professionally trained right by the public who pay our wages via their taxes. I do pay all taxes due all the same. I am still mindful that my training/acquired expertise and salary were paid for by collective taxation and I have thus a duty to acknowledge, fairly and objectively, this obligation to do what has been imposed on me by the public at large.

My patch try to stick to the fair play ruies, Old fashioned . but we still deliver what is expected of us all the sane and keep a decent position in the "charts"

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Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!

Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.

Ahhh! NIMBYism followed by climb-down Serves them right.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

First you must remove the log from your own eye to see the forrest in mine (or something like that).

Don't kick me in the balls without first flicking your own ball (I just made that one up )

Okay, I'll shut up now..

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.