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I fear your trust is seriously misplaced.

Seems to be the standard hiding these speedbikes in hedges - daughter told me of finding the Warks one hidden behind a hedge - visible from the other direction , she sussed it after getting some strange armwaving from oncoming traffic , slowed down and lo and behold there he was looking more like a hedgehog than a motorcyclist.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

WTF should whatever you are driving/riding have to do with being safe?

Are you insinuating that if I should happen along at 46 in a 40 while wearing club colours on my bike that is capable of reaching more than double the NSL in less than 9 seconds from a standing start, then I should be strung up for it?

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Well I was just saying that a BMW 5 series is obviously much safer than, say an old VW Beetle, which is what I would assume police take into account when deciding if someone should be done, as well as taking into account other conditions (weather etc.).

Sorry I just tend to say the word "bloke" instead of "driver" as thats just me being lazy - I apologise. Will edit my post.

And this assumption that a 5 series Beemer is safer than an old VW Beetle is based on what evidence exactly?

Here's a free tip for you...

Assumption is the mother of all fuck up's!

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Umm, better braking, handling and stability? I'd have thought that's pretty obvious to anyone.

Again you make assumptions.
How can you possibly know what has been done to an old classic unless you strip it down at the roadside?
My bike is 30 years old this year, and it sports higher performance brakes, tyres, wheels, suspension, etc than what you will get on any standard "off the shelf" production bike.
If I have the choice of being on a brand new standard road bike, or my 30 year old Z1, I know what I'm choosing.

But let's forget the mechanics for a second and concentrate on something far more important......the driver!
Who would you rate the safest bet out of the following...

Somebody who is fresh out of the learning school in a brand new Beemer, or somebody who has 20 years driving exprience in a 20 year old car?


Once again, NEVER assume anything.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

OK fair enough I now see your point. I must admit I hadn't thought of that.

But anyway my point remains that police officers are far better than standard civilian scamera operaters at determining whether a speed should be punishable or not.

However, I would perhaps still be against police officers hiding as it does seem to create a lot of panic braking even from people who aren't speeding.

No they are not.

Police officers (those stationed at Waterlooville, Hants for sure) are lying f*cking scum that wouldn't know what the truth was if it landed on them. If they don't like the look of you, then you are going to get screwed unless there is CCTV to disprove their lies.

There is one difference between the scamerati & the old bill though.
If the scamerati are caught fabricating evidence, then they are out of a job.
When (not if) the old bill are caught fabricating evidence, all that follows is the dodgy handshake (which they are experts at, because they really are wankers), followed by a cover up.

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Take 'em as you find 'em!
Presumably policemen like people vary the world over. Around us we have the odd one who just puts in time, and a lot more who take some pride in doing the job right. It has to start at the top I suppose.
I HAVE experienced one Hants. officer who was a lot more zealous than others, over nothing - and the same happened in Windermere, but I have encountered more who were wiser.
In my "youf" I got pulled up for speeding outside Blackpool on my way to college on my motorbike.
Road was straight, wide and after a lecture, I got sent on my way, because I had shown good observation, and not made any dodgy manouvres - just well planned overtakes.
Had it been a talivan or GATSO I would have had a fine and points.

I guess that madroaduser has either experienced the same, or wishes it were so!

A quick look close up of an older car can usually sort out a well restored/improved golden oldie, from a barely made it through the last MOT, minimum maintainance old banger. There used to be a VW wizard in Staveley where I work - and as a consequence we have one or two nice examples of his work in the area. However I think he had to give up over some sort of record keeping irregularities.

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

We did at first Ernest, and everything appeared to be going rather well.


My friend & I were originally (allegedly) stopped for doing 46-48 in a 40 zone (London Rd, Waterlooville) on Saturday the 23rd April 2005. We hadn't been anywhere near the alledged higher speed of 48, although instead of arguing the toss my friend spoke to the officer (PS Voller) and stated that although he knew he had breached the 40 limit, he considered his driving to be safe & he certainly didn't consider his driving to be a danger to other road users because there was nobody else on the road (except the power crazed twat behind us).

My friend was then asked if he had been drinking, to which he replied he had consumed 1 single Vodka & Coke prior to leaving Horndean (a 5 minute trip from Waterlooville).
The officer asked if my friend would provide a breath sample, to which he replied that he would be happy to do so. The officer then went on to explain the "20 minute rule", and then said he would do a person & vehicle check while we waited.

My friend furnished his details to the officer, who upon his return stated that my friend was disqualified from driving and was being arrested.
At this point my friend said to the officer "for f*ck sakes mate, how many times are you lot going to keep arresting me for this?" and went on to explain that he had already been in court so many times for this (and acquitted) and it was in fact an erroneous entry on the PNC (Police National Computer).

At this point, PS Voller said to my friend "Get in the car & shut it, c*nts like you shouldn't be on the road anyway"
Needless to say this had the most unexpected (unexpected for Voller) result of my friend responding "who the f*ck do you think you are talking to, you fat c*nt".

Things took a real nosedive at Waterlooville police station, and eventually my friend was thrown in to a cell and left there until the morning.
On the Sunday morning, my friend was interviewed and the officers said to him "Why did you refuse to provide a breath sample last night?"

My friend stated that he did not refuse any such request, and that he had been arrested for another offence during the 20 minute wait period and the breathalyser had not been forthcoming.
The officer then said "No, I mean why did you refuse the sample we asked for last night while you were in custody?"

My friends response was "You lot never asked me for anything, you simply used the solid cuffs as a weapon to break my wrist and then threw me in a cell when I clumped the twat who had assaulted me"

The case eventually got to court this year at Southampton Magistrates, and PS Voller swore on oath that he had taken my friend through the official procedure for requesting a breath specimen and that request had been met with violence. The violence itself was allegedly backed up by CCTV evidence from the custody area of Waterlooville police station.

When the tape was eventually played to the court, while it did indeed show my friend fighting with the old bill, it also showed that PS Voller had NOT requested anything in the custody area at all.
Now if it hadn't been for that CCTV tape, then my friend would currently be banned for failing to provide a breath sample as there is no way on earth he would have been able to disprove what PS Voller was saying.

An official complaint was made, and this was escalated to the IPCC after the investigating inspector (Mark Alleman) not only told lies in a recorded phone call in order to back up his officers lies, but also followed the lies up in a letter addressed to my friend.

I haven't got a clue how the investigation is continuing (if it is continuing at all), but I do know that PS Voller (lying c*nt that he is) is still in the job, and is no doubt trying to fit more people up.

That is the calibre of the British Police Force
WANKERS, the absolute lot of them!

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What makes you think I'm drunk officer, have I got a fat bird with me?

Hmm.
Certainly a poor example of the species - we had one similar in Kendal area years back - but he got retired eventually as far as I know.
As usual, you find out more after it is too late, when all that time you thought it was just you!

However, I have met enough decent and more than decent officers to believe it is wrong to tar them all with the same brush. Clearly madroaduser is of the same opinion.

I knew Waterlooville in the old days! It was always a spot for speed guns.
I worked a couple of Shifts at the Curzon Rooms - bottling up after wedding receptions. It was owned by the owner of a bottling plant I worked at in Purbrook, during school holidays.
My brother an I used to cycle there from Portsmouth - and slip stream back behind articulated lorries on their way to the port!!
Looking back I'm surprised we made it to our twenties!!

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Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!

reading this thread it appears i am responsible for setting the prosecution threshold, i have called many things in my life most justified but i have never risen to the rank of an ACC chair of the roads policing committee.

for anyone intrested i scored 95% in my recent PSSA course

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