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Responding to the OP:

50/35 = 3 ?


Also, a lot of cyclists will choose to take the car (a few of my colleagues, myself included, do just that [except I choose to walk instead of drive]).


Sorry but I tend to agree with her!


The following is possibly more relevant to motorway driving more than urban driving.
I think this is more to do with drivers leaving bigger gaps (as well as reducing the cap of their own top speeds). Bigger gaps (timewise) will inevitably lead to a reduction of traffic speed on the busiest roads (where space is already a premium). Leaving a bigger gap when necessary is obviously a good thing; unfortunately, those who usually have a 10 second gap try to increase that further to 20 seconds, so needlessly making the congestion disproportionately worse.

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I think you'll find it's more a case of people generally not having an issue with speed cameras at such vulnerable areas. People here understand there are other, more fundamental reasons why cameras can result with additional risk, even at schools. Few would argue against the use of a camera where a limit was set reasonably - except their perceived effectiveness (thanks to gross over-exaggeration of their effectiveness) end up with the limits being set inappropriately resulting with unpredictable driver behaviour (a big risk factor), as well as displacing other more effective safety measures such as pedestrian crossings/barriers/cycle lanes etc, displacing trafpol to other areas (FFS if anywhere we need them patrolling at schools at their busy times - they catch more than simply those exceeding the limit), and displacing the road safety policy away from a better trafpol based one.


Can you prove that?

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Could it be that one or two drivers are adjusting their speed to match the conditions increased breaking distances due to wet surface. Hidden pot holes unseen in deep puddles. Not wanting to splash pedestrains or cyclists as they pass them etc etc. and that slows all the following traffic.

Skimmed through only.






Desert. I bet a sand storm slows things up a lot though. I bet more take refuge in cars despite the lost visibility which I would imagine worse than the worst snow storm in the Alps

Folk will choose the SAFE SPEED for the condition . and this will be BELOW the lollyt sign.

Talk of the obvious






As said .. folk will allow a longer gap.. take their time more. Motorways have SPRAY which is like driving in FOG. If you cannot see furhter than a few yards ahead - you will SLOW accordingly.

Talk about the obvious



"Peer reviewed". Sorry if I seem short and rude to you. I do not mean to be. Honestly. But it's hardly scientific as we have a model or placebo or computer prognosis which we match the actual results to for comparison and research. Each step gets assessed by our peers.. some of whom agree and others may have some negative or constructive critique to qualify their opinion.

In fine weather - folk will be careful and legal. In cold or dank damp oppressive weather - many will choose the car before the bus/bike/motorbike/feet/mobility scooter even.


Which answers the


And even then .. we may find the SAME cars .. all travelling more slowly.




Most of the eco-warriors are "fair weather ones" I live too far away from work for public transport to be an option .. but that was MY CHOICE and my wife's choice in her profession. We drop our kids off at the school bus stop .. but frogmarch a potential fostered truant to registration




Do not get this last bit. You trying to be funny?

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Well 35 is about 2/3rds of 50 so 'treble' is just an inversion of the difference between 35 and 50.

Shows how easy it is to get statistics wrong

One reason that traffic slows down is that some drivers still expect to pull out into gaps that are really too small even in the dry.

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But.. .but .. but .. I am a pedant and two thirds is two thirds and not three thirds

I agree .. I could have a dcbwhaley of a time with a "tongue in cheek smiley guy" - but you know wot we're like





But they do that in any high peak of the season or rush hour. But I think it's made worse by most of us choosing the cosy option. Hell.. I have decided to drop off our kids at school when it's really nastily cold and wet... as has my wife. and find everyone else thought likewise I tell you - it's hell around there on such occasions Mumpties..

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It was just a way I could see to get treble out of the figures - at a stretch

A bit like getting 33% out of you know what. Not that I am implying Lucy W would.

Of course they do, just when it is wet you have to slow down a bit more for them.

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By placing a camera outside a school would not necessarily effect any core problem of any accidents caused.
Any benefit gained may NOT be attributed to the camera either due the RTTM.


The 'obvious' hazard perception when school's enter and vacate are very clear. You have a large collection of vehicles, parents, children and teachers so the only time a driver may miss something is when they are otherwise distracted e.g looking at their speedo and or camera or other immediate danger event e.g wasp in the car !
Not 'self defeating at all' as any camera anywhere near collection of people couldn't be more distracting to the real risk. The prime time when you want people paying attention to the variety of risks on the road, the driver is paying attention to the speedo and camera, to preserve their license / livelihood. To locate any camera outside a school, busy high street, or old people's home would result in an increase in accidents.

No.
Many accidents happen at relatively slow speeds.

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