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weepej
PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 22:16 
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adam.L wrote:
I am in trouble again? :?


No, but I think botach was at about midnight the other night...
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Can you give us a google map reference for the junction. I find it hard to believe that there a studded crossing point after the lights, surely this would make it actually in the junction itself and very dangerous.



I'd read it as sort of being like this, but a bit more compact:

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Moorgate, ... 3,,0,16.66

Right turn only lane, stop line, light, then ped xing with a light over the other side of the junction.

People turning right here often stop on the ped xing.
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My interpretation of this would be that the peds give way to traffic already flowing, born out by the signs saying "look left" and "look right" .Simple common sense really...

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graball wrote:
My interpretation of this would be that the peds give way to traffic already flowing, born out by the signs saying "look left" and "look right" .Simple common sense really...


At my local fish shop cod is £3.98 a pound.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 10:10 
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So now we've moved away from road safety to your thoughts on filling your belly, good diversionary tactic.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 00:08 
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The Highway code states Here that :
Highway Code wrote:
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Box junctions. These have criss-cross yellow lines painted on the road (see 'Road markings'). You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.
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Junctions controlled by traffic lights
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You MUST stop behind the white ‘Stop’ line across your side of the road unless the light is green. If the amber light appears you may go on only if you have already crossed the stop line or are so close to it that to stop might cause a collision.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10 & 36]


The bit I wanted to most point out was that once you have passed the stop line on green, you can 'go' once the road becomes clear.
I always avoid stopping part way across the ped Xing. So in practice a pause before entering behind another car turning right, to ensure there is enough space then go ahead, if there is not enough space you should not enter until there is. Stopping therefore before the Ped Xing, and this might mean that you may be very close, at, or on, the stop line, or just after it, so if the exit becomes clear you can then proceed.

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adam.L wrote:
I am in trouble again? :?


Not you -Adam -aimed at weepy , as I remember he got us mixed up -do you want first thump- :D

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botach wrote:
aimed at weepy , as I remember he got us mixed up



Did I?
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botach wrote:
aimed at weepy , as I remember he got us mixed up



Did I?

FROM MEMORY - YEP - CHECK YOUR ALTZHEIMER METER - YOU DID .

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So now we've moved away from road safety to your thoughts on filling your belly, good diversionary tactic.



As one Irish comedian said "It's a Cracker" ( or as we say on her (It's a weepy)

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botach wrote:
FROM MEMORY - YEP - CHECK YOUR ALTZHEIMER METER - YOU DID .



Can you show me where?
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In post #16 Adam said " I try to treat ped exings like box junctions, if I can't cross them I won't."

In the following post Weep quoted Adam

Then Botach replied "stay with us ..Think I said that ,NOT Adam L.-Altzheimers kicking in - I sincerely hope not ,but if so ,you have my sympathy ."

If anyone is suffering from memory loss it is Botach and I do sincerley hope that it is not Altzheimer's.

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Please remember to discuss the topic not posters health status ... I do realise some of this is in jest but ....

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weepej wrote:
graball wrote:
My interpretation of this would be that the peds give way to traffic already flowing, born out by the signs saying "look left" and "look right" .Simple common sense really...

At my local fish shop cod is £3.98 a pound.

How does this relate to anything ? The best I can think of is that it is by the traffic lights ? :) Or are you taking orders ?

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I'm with Claire on this one, (sorry if anyone else said the same) you'd be better holding back until you see that you can clear the junction, or at least move to a position where you won't be blocking the pedestrian crossing or other vehicles.

As long as you've passed the line before the lights changed I can't imagine you'd hear anything more about it...

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Highway Code Rule 176 states: Only go forward when the traffic lights are green if there is room for you to clear the jubction safely or you are taking up a position to turn right.

When turning right, therefore, it is a driving fault to wait behind the stop line if you can take up a position to turn right. At a traffic light controlled junction it is permissible to stop on a pedestrian crossing in this situation, as the pedestrian light will be on red.
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Further to the first reply regarding the statutory instrument, that refers only to Pelicans, Zebras and Puffins. Crossings at junctions (regardless of type) are not covered by this legislation. As for waiting behind, from a purely capacity point of view, I would much rather as many cars as possible would wait beyond the stopline, as the intergreen timings should give vehicles waiting to turn sufficient time to clear the conflict points.
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