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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 15:28 
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There is little point in enforcing a speed limit where the speed is never or is seldom exceeded. This would be the situation in the majority of areas outside of schools yet we still see calls for speed enforcement there.

This is surely an example of motorists regulating their speed to match the hazard density of the road conditions. If this is the case then why try to artificially regulate speed to low levels on, for example, wide dual carriageways? The average motorist will drive at a "safe speed" on these roads too without intervention.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 17:32 
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Greenshed appears to be saying speed enforcemennt should be targetted at places where a sizeable proportion of people think it's safe to break the limit, rather than places where only an idiot would break the speed limit.

Sadly this opinion is shared by people whose job is speed enforcement, which is why it's considered so socially acceptable to have points nowadays, as everyone's got 'em.

I saw a job ad for 'my' job at a rival firm which required a driving licence with no more than six points. That's got to be a first. Firms used to be able to ask for a full clean licence, but I guess - even in a recession - that would cut out a huge number of experienced commercial drivers.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 18:15 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11755222

The road in the video looks pretty straight with good sight lines and no school entrances. It's unclear what the problem is apart from the technical breach of the limit.
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I can't get the video to load so can only see the cover picture which appears to be a "country lane" which was probaly a 70MPH limit a few decades ago and as Speewatcher confirms, they usually work from muddy laybys and the picture for speed watch confirms this. Would they not be better situated at the start of the "built up zone" where the houses start and excessive speed is more dangerous?
I'm not condoning 94MPH in a 40MPH by any means but do wonder if that 40MPH was a NSL only a few years or months ago?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 18:39 
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GreenShed wrote:
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Letters were issued, but as stated, our purpose is not to prosecute.


Before you go too far in working out what extra evidence you need, there is none if you had 2 witnesses, especially if you had a reading from a radar device approved or not approved.



as asked on the other thread what checks are carried out with the quipment, who is responsible for it?, is it passed from Bill to Mavis after the bridge club, are the CSW required to attend court?


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 19:31 
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GreenShed wrote:

There is little point in enforcing a speed limit where the speed is never or is seldom exceeded. This would be the situation in the majority of areas outside of schools yet we still see calls for speed enforcement there.



There was a police lady waving her radar at my motorbike outside a school. It was August and would have been outside school hours if in term time and the only building on the road is the school. I am sure she could have found somewhere better to do a speed check


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 20:03 
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GreenShed wrote:
There is little point in enforcing a speed limit where the speed is never or is seldom exceeded.


Ehh???

I put it to you that that's precisely the situation where the speed limit should be enforced. That's where the majority of drivers, and, by extension, society, has decided that it's unsafe to exceed the limit.
In other words, that's precisely the situation where it's necessary to stop the tiny minority from doing dangerous speeds.

I further put it to you that there's little justification for enforcing a speed limit where the speed is exceeded often by most drivers. Because it's those situations where society has decided that it's safe to do so.

Who do you think the law should serve? Society, or itself?

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 20:14 
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y Pete317 on Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:03 pm

GreenShed wrote:There is little point in enforcing a speed limit where the speed is never or is seldom exceeded.


I think what Greenshed means to say is "it isn't COST EFFECTIVE to monitor these areas, road safety DOES has a price on it, after all.

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