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If it's the likelihood of being killed your'e worried about, bear in mind that more people are killed by accidents in their own homes than on the roads.
And a far higher number than that die due to preventable infections picked up in hospitals, and other medical 'misadventures'
Not to mention the comparatively huge number of people who die prematurely from heart disease etc, a lot of which we are told is down to our own lifestyles.

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Only when ideology, prejudice and dogma are set aside does the truth emerge - Kepler

Punishment is not the same as retribution.

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retribution

1. Something justly deserved; recompense.
2. Something given or demanded in repayment, especially punishment.
3. Theology Punishment or reward distributed in a future life based on performance in this one.

Semantically similar agreed; perhaps it would have been clearer if I had said "punishment under our common law legal system is not intended to satisfy the 'eye for an eye' principle of retributive justice". Or perhaps, all retribution is a punishment, but not all punishments are retribution? Better?

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Regulation without education merely creates more criminals.

But the punishment is not meant to be retributive. It is intended to act as a deterrent; to the actual offender for his future behaviour and to other potential offenders.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

There will always be punishment of some kind.

When sentencing an adult case the bench will have a number of aims in mind. Punishment, rehabilitation, deterrence and public protection being the main ones. We decide the order of importance for the case in front of us and, as far as is possible, find a sentence that includes all the elements we consider applicable. As a rough guide, offences of violence will almost always have punishment at the top of the priorities, whereas it is sometimes possible to stop serial shoplifting by a short period of supervision (what used to be called probation) during which the offender is taught basic cooking (cheaper than ready meals) and basic budgeting skills.

we have the same aims in mind when dealing with a youth but the rehabilitation element has to be the most important. That doesn't stop the court imposing custody as the rehabilitation part can be done when the custodial element has been completed. in fact youth custodial sentences are specifically designed to facilitate this.

Youths receive a Detention and Training Order (DTO) not a prison sentence. A DTO must be of at least 4 months, a long time if you are 15 years old. During a DTO there is very little time spent doing nothing. If not in education they are in the gym or learning to cook or some other domestic skill. I regularly hear about 16 year olds who don't know how to make a bed and have never washed their own clothes. They will be able to do both those things by the time they leave. All youths on DTOs complete 50% of their sentence in custody. A stark contrast with adult sentences. They then serve the rest of their time in the community receiving supervision from the Youth Offending team.

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I am not a lawyer and can't give legal advice. I do have experience of the day to day working of courts and use that knowledge to help where possible. I do not represent any official body and post as an individual.

I’m with you there Mole and for a reason I don’t think has been mentioned before. See if you agree with me..

I think where the statistics are badly skewed it that they present, let’s say, that I have a 10% chance of being involved in a KSI living in a busy city like Birmingham. What that does not take into account is that I am a good driver yet I am simply being thrown into the same pot as everyone else.

I don’t mean this as a boast, I’m just saying that my record is excellent and if the statistics took this into account it would show that a driver like me actually has, let’s say, nearer 0.01% or something. If I look at it another way, taking everyone else out of the equation, and instead look at my own driving record and the last bump I had which was in 1995. (That’s another story).

In 16 years that’s one accident. Over that time my average yearly mileage would be at least 20,000 miles per year. (Probably more than that but my current job has involved lots of driving over the past 11 years which will have increased the usual average of 12,000 per year). So that works out to be one accident in 320,000 miles. I am close to having done 50,000 miles on my motorbike too which I’ve had for 6 years without incident, yet. So now I'm up to at least 370,000 miles which means I am likely to be dead before I am due another accident.

The last accident I had was two days ago when I walked into the edge of my open garage door and tried to make two noses from one. So that is why, when I get behind the wheel or across my bike, I don’t feel threatened. Statistically I am more likely to come a cropper on my legs.

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The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not necessarily represent the views of Safe Speed.
You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

They really need to show clear evidence that they are for road safety. To jeer at authority is never a sensible idea, nor to always believe your 'mates' either!
Just as well he was stupid and made the job of the police easier. What a silly thing to do.
With Courts able to hand out stiff punishment for all types of 'camera' issues, is this in part to try to convince some of the apparent 'importance' of the cameras perhaps ? The final club hammer to crack the nut?
But what I hear, after these types of rulings, is not a feeling of respect, but of indifference and ridicule, for what can be seen as an 'unjust' and disproportionate system that seems to be out of touch with society. Certainly there seems to be a widening of 'class justice', where if you have money you can fight for justice and if you don't you can't.

Part of this also stems for the great lack of understanding and perceptions of how the Courts work and Rule. From what I have heard over the last 4 yrs in particular even the solicitors and barristers are confused about how they operate on occasion too! (Thanks Fisherman for the info).

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True but it seems to be viewed as more serious than violence or theft. The proverb "sticks and stones..." comes to mind.

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Malcolm W.
The views expressed in this post are personal opinions and do not represent the views of Safespeed.

Yes we do seem to be in a society that is ever more being run by "control freaks", whereby one of the biggest crimes seems to be the fact that we could possibly question our masters or rebel against their "better knowledge".

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

It's all about control.
With only a few hundred thousand versus 60 million (plus) control is important.

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56 years after it was decided it was needed, the Bedford Bypass is nearing completion. The last single carriageway length of it.We have the most photogenic mayor though, always being photographed doing nothing