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Would people please read my post before commenting. For the final time Sixty the Red:- THERE ARE NO CAMERA WARNING SIGNS ON THE A30, THERE ARE NO SPEED LIMIT REPEATERS, IT IS A NATIONAL SPEED LIMIT ROAD.

The advice for the most part has been very useful, however there are some on here who sound to be a wee bit arrogant and think the sun shines out of their @ss! If you havent got anything useful to say then keep it shut. Its really just a waste of bandwidth and your time.
Im going now because I think Im sounding a bit of a fool and acting a bit foolish.

Sorry Mucker but you asked and you got, if you don't like the answers then yer on the wrong website. Although we're against cameras don't assume that you're always going to be told what you want to hear. No I haven't gone 94mph in an NSL but if I had (and you've admitted you had been but didn't notice) and I got caught doing it, then it would be my own fault for taking the p!ss.

Well, I don't think it's fair to bash Dan on the 94-in-60 by claiming it's a p*ss-take, not until you've seen the road condition on a quiet day

If both sides of the road were clear, good surface, and fairly straight, I'd say 94 was too slow - try 110 jk

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Thanks RR, I am glad to see some people can understand where Im coming from and you have obviously taken the time to read my post properly.
Anyway I would like to thank everyone for their advice but I think its for the best if I call it a day on this forum. Im not for a minute saying theres too many "Im better than everyone else and I dont have to listen to what anyone else says" people on here but Ive got the information I need from the kind hearted and considerate people who frequent this forum. To these people I say THANK YOU! To the rest I say theres more to life than slating other people, if you cant help someone out without first pointing out their downfalls then you truly are leading an sorry existence. Thank you and Goodnight!!.. . . . . . . . .

Yeah, cheerio!

What the hell is going on here? Please don't go until I've looked into it.

I can't see any sign that anyone has directed you to Pepipoo. You'll find the best free legal advice on the net in the forum system there: http://www.pepipoo.com

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

I have reviewed this thread and I have to say that I think we have been far too hard on Dan6000.

He's got an 'L' plate because he's a new user. The 'L' plate is there for a reason. We should have welcomed him in and introducing him to the advanced approach we have here. If that means going gently on occasion, then so be it.

We don't know - can't know - if his speed was inappropriate for the conditions at the time, and without that knowledge we should give the benefit of the doubt.

Safe driving can't be measured in miles per hour and speed over the limit does not imply a degree of danger.

Dan, if you're still around, please give us a second chance.

And

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Paul, you're probably right but it's a fine line you're walking - there is already a perception out there that this site exists solely to promote driving everywhere as fast as possible regardless of the conditions. In fact my first reaction to Dan's original post was

That's probably the most sensible thing that's been said on this subject.

In order to preserve licence and livelihood, you need to be alert to what's going on out there. That doesn't mean religiously sticking to every speed limit, but if in unfamiliar territory you are caught by a visible fixed camera doing 94 in a 60 it does suggest a failure of observation.

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Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Yes, but the line isn't that fine. We're here to promote and develop driving 'best practice' and effective road safety polices. To do so we have to welcome a wide range of views and then be persuasive, accurate, rational and logical. It's no good turning people away (or off) because they don't understand or have differing shades of opinion.



True, but that perception is receeding. We're winning people over in all sorts of places; and that's exactly what we must do - win people over.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

somehow I think Dan was doing in excess of 100 so as


when someone says he thought he was doing 70 but hadn't noticed his speed creep over 100, the camera, the warning signs and the speed limit signs, then what exactly should we suggest he do?

I interpreted his post as being trollbait if i'm honest. If i'm wrong then I sincerely apologise. It is mentioned continuously that this site isn't about making excuses for the nutters or the reckless and doing so IMHO would do damage to the safespeed cause.

I read this chaps post three times and I came to the same conclusion whilst considering my reply to him. I'm far from perfect myself as a driver and in the past I have lost my license on one occasion for speeding that most on here would quite rightly, call me a plonker for, indicate that i deserved the disqual etc, another time I was warned and educated by the Traffic Officer, nevertheless I had no excuse so I took the punishment.

Years later, I was flashed by a camera in my local area, before the camera I checked my odemeter and I know that I was doing 28mph, even so I was prosecuted for 37mph, thus the reason for my initial visit to this board.

Since then, I have become more interested within the art of driving and I credit this board and its members, in my being able to obtain an understanding of what it is to be a better driver.

My point is, surely a line does have to be drawn somewhere otherwise we do indeed risk of becoming a speedfreaks ball.

Hear hear. I can't believe we all forgot to mention Pepipoo. Sorry Dan, if you're reading. Do check them out and do stick around.

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I sent him there on Friday in a PM

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I have to admit I'm with johno1066 on this one. The first time I read his post I though 'here's someone who doesn't take alot of care when driving and has come here expecting sympathy'. He came here for advice, and in my opinion (OK we didn't mension pepipoo which we deserve a slap for) he got advice. Whether he liked it or not, all that was said was true and justified IMHO.

The reason for my post was not the speed itself (which we all agree may or may not have been dangerouns) but it was the apparent lack of awareness of surroundings and related speed limits suggesting lack of education / poor road sence.

At the end of the day, we've all made mistakes, and I for one have had my face slapped on more than one occasion by members of this forum. Its not nice, but its the best way to learn.

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isn't one of the first chapters of roadcraft all about critically asessing your own driving, learning from your mistakes and not being too proud to acknowledge you could improve...

...if he couldn't make this assesment for himself and wouldn't be guided into it by the posts here, there's not much we can do to help him improve is there!

Perhaps Sixy, but we could have respected the L plate a bit better and been a bit more diplomatic about it. I know I've looked back at my first post to Dan6000 and now think I could have worded it to sound less like a rebuke and more like advice. It wasn't supposed to be a rebuke but reading it back it might appear to be one to Dan .

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I think we need to establish our credibility and friendliness before we can do a great deal by way of education.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Gatsobait

Thats fair enough. I guess we all could have been a little more...gentle...

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OK, seems fair, I guess it's right to respect learners, doesn't make them less annoying though (only joking).