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Hi Mosis

It’s good to hear your opinion, I believe if you stick around a while, get to know the people that contribute to Safespeed, you’ll realise we are saying similar things.

We are not trying to promote a culture of idiots hurtling around killing one another, we really do want to have a society were common sense prevails, unlike the current situation where all communication about speed limits and cameras are ignored

Mosis, do you ever come across a speed limit, which in your mind, with your skill level, should be a little higher? Or do you believe the current speed limits are a little too fast for you already?

Do you believe the speed limit should be set for the worst drivers out there, or educate the worst drivers, so they can enjoy another level of awareness?

Mosis, do you see yourself in a position where you would EVER break the speed limit, and if so, under what circumstances?

Off now for a pint with the wife and nipper, see you all soon

Martin

Indeed, your ad hominem speaks volumes too.

Could it be suggested that is perhaps its not only me who disbelieves your claim of never ever, ever ever ever ever having broken the speed limit before?

Indeed, see my current sig.

In case I change it in the future, I'll repeat it here:

"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

I would say it is impossible to stay within the speed limit at all times unless you deliberately aim to set a maximum cruising speed of no more than around 80% of the limit. And even that assumes that the limits are unambiguous and clearly marked, which is often not the case.

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"Show me someone who says that they have never exceeded a speed limit, and I'll show you a liar, or a menace." (Austin Williams - Director, Transport Research Group)

Any views expressed in this post are personal opinions and may not represent the views of Safe Speed

Thanks - Pete - was trying to use it as a reply .I concur.

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lets bring sanity back to speed limits.
Drivers are like donkeys -they respond best to a carrot, not a stick .Road safety experts are like Asses - best kept covered up ,or sat on

so would you accept a speed monitoring device in your car that would result in your licence being instantly cancelled for any breach of the speed limit?
The last person on here who claimed he never speeds didn't have the guts to even reply, what about you?

Mosis, I read all your posts and have only two comments:

1. Have you not read any of the research material on this site?

2. Sanctimonious creeps like you make me sick

Could be wdg's twin sister?

Isn't the answer not to speed then? Its pretty easy you know. You just watch the little needle and make sure it doesn't go past the little 30 or 40 or 50 sign (whichever is appropriate). Another little tip is that the scenery starts going a bit faster if you exceed the limit too so keep an eye on that.

Troll.

Do you really think we haven't heard such juvenile suggestions before?

Do you really think that road safety would be well served by such actions?

Do you really think that 90%+ of the driving population 'can't be bothered' to stick to the speed limits at all times?

You're just trolling aren't you?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

C+ must be getting rid of their cannon fodder

well, unsurprisingly, none of our pet trolls have taken up the challenge.

yes. Although 90% may be a little high, as 86% of drivers have clean licenses (see other threads on the subject)

I don't agree with the posters statement of "never, ever speeding" as I accept the possibility that a driver could momentarily lose track of the speed they are doing and drift slightly over the limit, but some - I include myself in this - make more of an effort than others, it seems, to comply with the law. It's a balancing act that requires concentration on the driving job in hand, in order that the concentration on speed does not affect safety.

I believe a lot of drivers do not like to apply that level of concentration to their driving - and that is a bad thing. For people caught out in this sector I think FPN's are a bit harsh, and I would prefer warnings (either from traffic police, preferably, or warning letters with camera pictures). After receiving a set number of warnings (say, 3 in a 12 month period) then penalties should be applied). This is a driver at fault situation.

Other drivers choose to ignore the speed limit. And are surprised when they are punished. I have no sympathy for them, particularly the laughable "but my job depends on my license" faction ... tough, you made the choice, live with it. This is a driver at fault situation.

The partnerships are responsible for the accuracy of their equipment and if found to be in error they should suffer punitive damages, high level sackings or other enforcements. This covers the driver not at fault situation.

Another point made earlier is about where a speed limit is obviously wrong, the question was whether to ignore it or adhere to it. My natural response upon such an event is to apply an even heightened degree of concentration (if it is a road I do not know well) as it suggests to me one or two things - the first being that it may well have been an accident black spot, the second being (sadly) that it may be a spot for a camera or mobile unit. So I would adhere to the limit. If it is a road I know well and still cannot understand the reason for the wrong limit, I would be tempted to write to the council for information, and if appropriate I would challenge the speed limit, all the while still adhere to the limit. Technically the driver is at fault, I agree there may be mitigations here. This area is where I think the campaigns for safe speeds on our roads SHOULD be focussed. Raging against cameras is useless, if the speed limits were set correctly the cameras would not be an issue. If the couple of thousands of hours that Paul has spent thinking of safety arguments had been applied to thinking of ways to sort out the speed limits in this country I would support his campaign 100%. Instead safespeed is seen as the anti camera mouthpiece, and that seems to be reflected the views of members of this forum.

closing note 1: to mosis and idontgo, I'd suggest attenuating the language slightly, as a rant and rage approach is counter to the discussion. But stay on board, as there is a lot of useful information on here. I'm in favour of speed cameras - which leaves me in a vast minority here - but in general I am treated fairly on the forums, and I enjoy the debates.

closing note 2: I hope I'm not seen as a pet troll!

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

I don't understand why, when clearly we have a national deficit of driver concentration, you think that more can be applied to speed limit compliance without less being applied elsewhere.



Hell, no. All sincere opinions are welcome here. I have no doubt whatsoever that your opinions are sincere. And sincere opinions expressed sincerely cannot be trolling.

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Yes I am anti camera, but also anti the deliberately untruthful data put out by the massive camera propaganda machine. Too many vested interests now for it to be otherwise. (never been flashed by the way)

I'd just like to see more.

I manage to do it, and have a 500,000+ mile record with no endorsements, and I'm nothing special (well, of course I am special, but you know what I mean). I attach a high level of importance to the task in hand when directing a couple of tonnes around at high speeds (heck, 10mph is fast enough, when you are talking about a 2 tonne car approaching!). I suspect others do not attach that same level of importance - otherwise they would not answer the phone, apply make-up, turn round to shout at the kids, whatever they do.

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COAST Not just somewhere to keep a beach.

A young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless, in a world of criminals who operate above the law.

Me too. Very similar. But I strongly believe that speed camera move concentration away from areas that matter more. Do you REALLY think that speed cameras make better drivers? If so how?

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Paul Smith
Our scrap speed cameras petition got over 28,000 sigs
The Safe Speed campaign demands a return to intelligent road safety

Good answer.

To reply to another poster, yes, I'd be happy to have a monitoring device put into my car that meant I would lose my licence if I went over the speed limit. What sort of length of time without a licence for going one mph over the limit for ten seconds do you think would be fair?

I've never driven on a road and thought "That speed limit's too low, I think I'll drive faster because I know better/I'm in a hurry/I'm more important than everybody else", etc.
The whole purpose of this site is for people who, for one reason or another, can't stop themselves from speeding, to play 'bait and switch' - 'don't look at me speeding, look at all those other bad drivers who don't speed'. It's not very convincing. And most people aren't buying it.
You keep getting caught be speed cameras, and then whine about it! Why not simply drive within the speed limit? None of you seem to be able to explain why you 'need' to speed.

Didn't you mean to say that speed cameras move YOUR concentration away from areas that matter more? Why do you even notice speed cameras? It couldn't be because you are almost constantly speeding, could it? If not, then why? Why and how could a metal box on a post by the side of the road demand any more concentration from you than the thousands of streetlights and trees you pass every journey?
Am I missing something here?
Your argument is collapsing.
Have you tried fitting a camera to your car and then sending it to the BBC so we can see how carefully you drive? I think it would be a real eye opener...
I'll do one from my car as soon as I get some cameras fitted, and we can compare courtesy and adhering to the speed limit... I wonder which one of us would do best...

My money would be on the driver who has invested in a number of advanced driving courses. Now, which one of you would that be....