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Sixy the red: I agree with you as well. But extend your argument to its logical conclusion and you end up wondering whether you would eat your own pet dog or cat.

Some countries eat dogs, others eat horses and yet we draw the line at that. Some may even eat cats although I can't imagine what they taste like.

If you work on a farm then the animals do have characters which you get to know, that may not make them pets in that you don't share your home with them but they still get slaughtered at a some time.

Most children are introduced to animals via the cuddly toy syndrome and that stays with them for the rest of their lives unless they live on a farm.

I would still give a lorry a wide berth because he might be carrying my new flat screen telly and I don't want to hold him up. :D (Thought I better return to the original thread,)

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I've never been in anything bigger than a 7.5 tonner so I cannot fully appreciate the problems, but I try to let lorries go if I can see they are being held up by a slow car, tractor etc. I have to say that there is some unbelievably bad truck driving on the A14 at times. A while back a lorry pulled out in front of me to overtake another lorry. I decided to measure how far it took to get past. The result - 7 miles - and he had already been blocking the road for a while before I started measuring. This was a very exteme example but every day I see them taking 1-2 miles to pass. I suspect it is the usual problem of a handful of idiots giving the rest a bad name but this is another reason we need police not cameras.


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You're absolutely right semitone, there are a handful of idiots driving lorries who give the rest a bad name. The majority are not like that and are infact extremely professional an courtious in their driving. You can understand the frustration they must feel though when every day they have to deal with morons getting in their way and generally making life difficult.

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Maybe it's time we got rid of the HGV speed limiters which cause more problems than they fix.


The running costs would be too high. An artic does approx 9mpg@56mph. At 60 it's a lot higher, etc etc...


I though we lived in a free market economy? If a vehicle operator wished to restrict his vehicles to 56mph or 54mph he should be allowed to do so. If, on the other hand, he didn't then that also should be allowed. Unless of course there was an overriding national interest - which there isn't.


Free market economy? That's kinda the reason we're in the mess we're in.Everyone has undercut everyone else to the point where transport firms are going out of business...and while there's people offering transport at negative profit margins just to gain contracts it drives everyone else to the lowest common denominator.

Add to that the rising rip-off price we have to pay for diesel because of the government/oil companies then they might as well be selling us vaseline so they can shaft us some more.

BTW, I'm assuming you already know but the 56mph limit is in fact a 90kmh limit-and it's yet another EU directive. An operator can set his vehicles limits to BELOW 56 but can't raise them.

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Free market economy? That's kinda the reason we're in the mess we're in.Everyone has undercut everyone else to the point where transport firms are going out of business...and while there's people offering transport at negative profit margins just to gain contracts it drives everyone else to the lowest common denominator.


Yeah, thats the problem with the free market economy. The big hitters will squeeze the little guys out and customers don't give a flying feck where their bread, frozen chicken tikka masala or donuts came from or how they got there so long as they are the cheapest around.


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Free market economy - another word for the big guys screwing the little guys - few years ago , due to redundancy i had the choice - jobcentre or self employed - i had several sub contract sources -first two years ok, then found my income slowly going downhill( and mates saying the same thing), though i and others were charging less and less - turned out that most jobs were being given to the "weekenders and night blokes" --the profesonials and regulars were getting the work that those couldn't do - or was too far away .And due to the time lag between work and payment - it wasn't worth doing.
So i got out - and i know of others who did the same - but the big guys still charge the same .

Now about food - coming from the country - i'm like those from those parts are used to seeing my food live before eating it - i think my grandfather's reply to my mother on the question of kiling says all - "you won't say that when you're eating it"

After all we see films from China of street markets where the eater selects their food and sits down.

Like a sick story from Asia - couple go into a restuarant and select from menu - little poodle looks like it needs a drink - couple make signs to host - poodle is taken away , to return as "dish of the day"

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Yeah, thats the problem with the free market economy. The big hitters will squeeze the little guys out and customers don't give a flying feck where their bread, frozen chicken tikka masala or donuts came from or how they got there so long as they are the cheapest around.


Unfortunately it's gone past that point-even the big hitters are dicing with being in the red now. I quote management from one such company I used to work for:- "If <big chain of shops> got their act together and stopped making huge costly mistakes with transport planning then we'd go out of business"

It's time that the whole transport industry raised its prices across the board before it collapses and there's no-one left to drive the trucks because of the pittance we're paid.

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I'm afraid you are up against society here. Everybody is afraid of paying more for something than they have to because the don't want to look stupid in front of their friends. People love boasting about how little they paid for something never mind the quality. Hence the rise of supermarkets and internet shopping.

Retailing is easy today, forget the service just reduce the price and people will flock in the door.

No profit means no service and cut your suppliers to the bone to stay in business.

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