SafeSpeed wrote:
ndp wrote:
SafeSpeed wrote:
ndp wrote:
I thought Safe Speed was for limits which are set consitantly with each other and with the circumstances?
You bet. That excludes 20mph speed limits that appeal to social engineers!
On what is that statement based?
It's a quip based on a series of false priorities that I perceive.
- social and ideological values dressed up as safety values
- anti-car policies dressed up as safety policies
- road safety values governed by dogma rather than sound science
- excessive trust in the
number; insufficient trust in
responsible behaviour.
I would suggest there may be a grain of truth in that perception, nevertheless it is only a perception.
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I see little or no value in 20mph speed limits because controlling speed to ~ 20mph actually takes far too much driver attention. This, of course, is why DfT says that 20mph zones should be 'self enforcing'. I think we could usefully have 'slow zones' or something like that, but the number is just a serious bloody distraction.
I have sympathy with that (I personally prefer Home Zones as a concept).
However, there are reasons for the 20 figure. For a start, how slow is slow? What when people complain of damage to vehicles because they have passed over/through traffic calming measures to fast? Don't forget there is no requirement for any warning of humps etc in 20 zones.
If they're told what the maximum speed is, then its cleared up. You can't really complain. Not ideal, but such is reality in Britain today.
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And the gloss of legitimacy makes 20mph a wholly illegitimate target for many.
Whilst I understand the concern, is there evidence to suggest this actually happens?
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In lots of 20mph zones, 20mph will still be murderously fast (from time to time). If 20mph (or 30mph or 70mph) can frequently be murderously fast, what will save us? What does save us? It can only be appropriate behaviour. Let's have more appropriate behaviour please. Let's have policies that value appropriate behaviour.
What do you do with those who show no interest in behaving appropriately?
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