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Of course it's a reality. But at 7 years old isn't it more likely to be his parents' fault that he was out playing on a dual carriageway? Nos4r2 seems to be saying he deserved to die, just for having the bad luck to be born to parents who didn't care enough to actually look after him.

While not wishing to pass any comment on this particular case, I do believe that there's an argument to be had about bad parenting representing a genetic disadvantage that evolution has a real-world ability to punish.

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Paul Smith
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Absolutely. I totally accept the truth of that. I just don't think it's a good thing, and it's certainly not some kind of moral code to live by.

I believe that Nos4r2 was saying he was more likely to die.

Sadly lots of children suffer and some die as a result of “having the bad luck to be born to parents who didn't care enough to actually look after them”.

Having such parents, or guardian, is obviously a considerable disadvantage that reduces the chances of producing the next generation. It is now for sure that he will not go on to produce part of the next generation who will go to play stupid games on a major road, or whatever we have by then.

As you say, "Of course it's a reality. But at 7 years old isn't it more likely to be his parents' fault that he was out playing on a dual carriageway?", so what was his guardian doing in this case to prevent this happening !!

As a result of this stupidity, the driver of the car involved will suffer the trauma of this for the rest of his life and the motorists around Peterborough are likely to suffer even more restrictions, penalties and misery as a result.

Ah, now we ARE wandering off into some difficult moral territory. However, I find it most interesting, so...

Since we are almost entirely the product of evolution, I fail to see how the process can be seen as anything other than 'a good thing'.

Of course the argument then runs that society has advanced to the point of responsibility where the weak can be cared for, whereas evolution would have left them to die.

So we have to walk a tightrope between cruel evolution that made us strong and kind society that could possibly make us weak.

Difficult...

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It is a terrible statement about the type of individual who, from this one word comment, appears to derive much pleasure and gratification from someone else's misfortune and bad luck.

In this instance, this 'pleasure' has been derived from the actual death of a 7 year old kid, through the apparent stupidity of the 7 year old kid concerned.

To feel compelled to post such a grossly inapropriate, deeply offensive comment on a message board like this denotes the type of individual that you are and the type of upbringing you had yourself.

You should be thoroughly ashamed of that comment, Nos4r2; and if you can't see why you should be ashamed of climbing on the band-wagon for making it, you really do need social councilling.

Grow up! Moron!

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I'm sure that Nos is more than capable of defending himself (if he bothers to actually read this thread since I'm sure he has better things to be doing right now...) but you have no right to call him a moron.

You also have no right to comment on his upbringing as you know NOTHING about him or his family.

Quite franky, I'm sick and tired of hearing about 'poor little so and so who was killed whilst innocently playing somewhere dangerous and inapropriate'. He was playing in the road FFS and to top it off, he was old and wise enough to be RUNNING AWAY FROM THE POLICE suggesting that he was OLD AND WISE ENOUGH TO KNOW NOT TO PLAY ON THE ROAD.

Maybe he WAS led astrey by older kids and this was just a terrible accident, but then maybe it will shock his parents into actually teaching their children how to behave properly. I have to deal every day with kids (not always much older than this boy) spraying grafitti all over my garage, throwing litter about and generally making a neucance of themselves. FFS when I was living in Manchester I had a boy no more than 10 point a replica GUN in my face completely at random in the street and ask me if I would like to be SHOT. Innocence of youth my arse.

Heartless or not, the comment about Darwin and natural selection is true. The human race as a species has all but stopped evolving and we are suffering as a result.

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My bold. Amazing how much Mr Angry read into one word there. I would've said given the amount of in depth discussion that Nos4r2 has sparked with that "one word comment" he has shown him or herself to be anything but a "Moron"

In the modern world we have other methods of improving the human species, besides death for the weak. We have literacy. We have education and support for people who can't manage on their own. We don't live in caves anymore and merely compete for who can get the most sexual partners before they starve.

It would seem that Mr Angry wants to club anyone who disagrees with his pacifist views.

No one is deriving pleasure from the death of what would seem to be this deliquent 7 year old child. It is quite legitimate to question why he was playing on a busy road, the consequences of that and why he was not being properly supervised by his guardian, given that it seems his father is in prison for a motoring offence.

Well these other methods didn’t seem to work very well in this case, when what would seem to be this delinquent child was left to roam about unsupervised with other tearaways.

Whether we like it or not, evolution still goes on working and all we can do is to delay its effects, not prevent them. If those who are intent on killing themselves are prevented from doing so, then they then just beget offspring who are just as likely to be the same and succeed where there parent failed. Eventually evolution will come into effect, whatever we try to do and whatever we think.

speak for yourself

My God-These men must be telepathetic!

It's quite amusing how many people show themselves up as Darwin award candidates when I post one word.

I shouldn't really say it as it IS quite amusing to watch the future Sun journalists come out of the woodwork but:-

Dr L, Paul Smith and Sixy are right.

I don't find the death of a 7 year old boy in the slightest bit amusing.It's tragic but it happens and will continue to happen-and WE CAN'T STOP IT.

Here's a good example.

Does anyone personally remember from school kids that played chicken on the railway lines or the main roads?
All the ones I knew that did stuff like that were in a very low intelligence bracket. In fact, 4 of them from my school are dead now-driving while on drugs and racing while on L-plates. 2 separate incidents.
Stupid people invent new and novel ways to kill themselves the more we try and cosset them and vice versa. Darwin woz ere.

Do I need to explain myself any further? I'd be happy to provide some good misquotes if someone wants to make an even bigger dick of themselves...

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Nos4r2,

Thanks for clarifying for me that I talk bollocks. You really are something special, eh?

A BOY is dead, his family is grieving and YOU come out with a clever, crass comment "DARWIN".

You are an absolute wanker, mister. No matter what the circumstances, right or wrong - someone has died and YOU want to score feckless points by getting your 'egotistical' knob out in public. You're a complete and utter wanker for passing that comment; completely out of order!

And let me tell you - No, I don't approve of his apparent behaviour; No, I don't want to suck up and eulogise and all the other bollocks you ascribe me with you pathetic cretin.

A BOY HAS LOST HIS LIFE IN THE MOST TRAGIC OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU MAKE SICK 'FUNNY' COMMENTS ABOUT IT??????

Do me a favour, mate. Save the patronising drivel for those of your ilk. You are a pathetic creature for event contemplating points scoring on a subject like this. A boy has died, arsehole. Find a bit of respect for his soul and save the mocking comments that his family don't need right now, eh?

When the heat has gone out of this, there will be points to discuss. Not cute comments about how hilarious it is when a child loses his life doing something stupid to have an adult with a child's brain crow on about it. You make me sick, you pathetic offensive cretin.

His body's still warm and you're in there making fun of it????

Grrrrrrrr

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You're like a self-winding watch aren't you.

1)You're not my mate. You don't know me and you're still behaving like a tabloid journalist.

2) At no point did I imply that I find the death of a child funny or crow about a TRAGEDY.Here's the dictionary definition for you. I suggest you pay most attention to the bold. :-
trag·e·dy (trj-d)
n. pl. trag·e·dies
1.
a. A drama or literary work in which the main character is brought to ruin or suffers extreme sorrow, especially as a consequence of a tragic flaw, moral weakness, or inability to cope with unfavorable circumstances.
b. The genre made up of such works.
c. The art or theory of writing or producing these works.
2. A play, film, television program, or other narrative work that portrays or depicts calamitous events and has an unhappy but meaningful ending.
3. A disastrous event, especially one involving distressing loss or injury to life: an expedition that ended in tragedy, with all hands lost at sea.
4. A tragic aspect or element.


3)As you obviously think you know me better than I do from a one-word post then perhaps I'd better appoint you my official spokesperson?Religions have been formed from less ridiculous interpretations of a few words...

4)The only thing I've found funny is your holier-than-thou attitude. The more you prove yourself to be a complete pillock the more I'll laugh at you...It's a vicious circle and there's only one of the two of us that's taking you seriously.


Go back to Rampton or wherever you escaped from. You're boring me.

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Smokebelching,CO2 making,child murdering planet raping,granny mugging,politically incorrect globally warming (or is it climate changing now it's getting colder?)thug.
That's what the government want you to believe of me. If they get back in I'm emigrating.

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This is really far too much in terms of a personal attack. The forum rules require us to attack the arguments rather than the poster.

I also think your argument is based on a complete misread of Nos4r2's position.

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Paul Smith
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Of course, you never meant to offensive in what you wrote about a dead little boy at all, did you?

I suppose you found it funny because it's all impersonal and you didn't know this kid yourself?

And further reading through this thread how on earth can any of you say de-facto that this boy - whether his father was in prison or not - would have grown into an 'inmate' too.

The whole thread is riddled with smug, snidey comments endulgent on the death of a 7 year old kid. And you add further clever comments that anyone who finds your drivel distasteful is a 'Sun journalist' or Social worker.

And of course you tell me "I'm talking bollocks" for tarnishing that smarmy shine you have about your smug smile over your glib comments over the death of a child - but when rightfully corrected and told that some of the rest of us don't get the funny side of this quite like you do, you want to tell the world such a criticism emanates from Rampton.

Tell me, does it take one to know one then?

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You really are persistently stupid aren't you.