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In my eyes, the cyclist should not have been there. Therefore, she should have been prosecuted for using her mobile as any other person should be, but not death by dangerous driving.

On a slight tangent to the above, the reasoning behind my thoughts is something I’ve mentioned before.

My friend killed an Asian in Bradford a few years back. My friend had finished his first days work at a new job, and was driving home. He was turning right onto a side road when a motorbike coming the other way hit my mates car. The biker was without a licence, helmet, insurance, doing 40 in a 30, and was later found to have drugs in his system.

My mate got a 12 month ban and a hefty fine. They reasoned that he had received a text message some minutes before the crash, and it had distracted him from driving. He didn’t actually read the message, but they still tried using it to prosecute him.

Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but the bike should not have been there in the first place. If the bike hadn’t been there, then my mate (a biker himself) would not have spent a year getting a bus to a new, less paid, job. He was warned to stay away from the area by the police, because the community weren’t happy that one of their own was killed by a white person.

This ties in with the topic in the sense that the cyclist should not have been there!! I can’t see how they can tell beyond reasonable doubt that if she hadn’t been texting, then she would have seen him JUMP THE RED LIGHT.

On a positive note, hopefully it will teach cyclists that they have to obey the rules of the road too.

Rant over…..

Sounds like your mate was completely at fault.

That was my initial reaction. being a biker myself i would say the same thing, but reading into it further the bike should not have even been on the road. plus the very fact he came up doing approx 40mph in a 30mph, surely some of the blame needs to be attributed to the rider, whoc as mentioned before was high, unlicenced, uninsured, and without a helmet.

On a side note, this could be used as another argument against cameras. he could have passed loads of cameras riding like this but if he was pulled by a Police car, the accident could have been avoided.

Rigpig, for an example of a deliberate policy of using lights to cause traffic problems that is fairly close to you, just drive along the old A5 from Ketley through to Wellington.

The Seven Stars lights, the new Ketley Dingle lights, you then get the Bucks Head Lights, the new lights by the chipshop, then the Cock Hotel lights.

The local ABD chap is firmly convinced that they are designed to cause traffic problems. He has spoken to a retired engineer who agrees with him. And I think they are probably right on this.

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I know all of those lights and don't believe any of them have been put up just to cause traffic problems. The fact that they hold us up where previously we could pass through some junctions with right of way over other traffic that we now have to wait our turn for, doesn't mean they were put in to hamper us. Certainly the re-configured junction on Haybridge Road near the AFC Telford ground by TCAT is particularly confusing and potentially dangerous with its misleading traffic light, but I'm sure thats more a question of buffoonery on the part of the planners rather than malicious intent. As with all the other examples quoted here, the ABD chap's conviction is simply a case of him seeing devils where he wants to see them.
What people think, believe or have heard is not the same as having definitive proof that a planning committee deliberately set out with the express intention of causing traffic problems.

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Sorry, this is totally off topic, but I have to say this, but you make it sound the same as if he'd killed a cat or a dog instead of a human being.

Don't want to start a flame war, but that's a little off whack IMO.

And your assertion is that all people, except cyclists, obey the rules of the road I presume?

It's interesting that you seem to regard referring to someone as an "Asian" as being inherently insulting. Would you have made the same reply if he'd said "my friend killed a man from London"?

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No, but it might be interesting to speculate upon what the eventual outcome might have been had it been a car driver that had gone through a red light and been hit and killed by another driver.

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I thought insanity was just stating a point of fact

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Focus is on "nasty evil driver"


I do not even have a phone switched on when driving. I'm no slave to a phone either.


I do not condone "stupid". Both were stupid beyond logical understanding in reality.

I have no real compassion for either cyclist or driver


However, I do know the families will each be going through . sadnees.. deep depression.. trauma nightmares of "what if she or he did.. /if only they had....." - with anger./. guilt/ tears.. anger.. guilt.. regrets.. and so on.

I do have compassion/understanding for the innocent bereaved.. and they have so much to come to terms with.... as does the family of the kid who sauntered across the M61, whilst presumably a bit tipsy, and paid too high a price..

The idiots who did this to themselves? My compassion is "short supply" for them personally. BUT.. that does not mean I feel for their grieving relatives who have to face so much extra realisation and anger at the deceased - with guilt over the normal reaction - in addition to the lost life.

If the trolls cannot see this aspect .. then they are trolls in wiki interpretaation

But weepy.. My wife.. Wild has posted up stats from EU and Canada.. which seem to be looking at the part cyclists/pedestrians contribute to the carnage. Their reporting in what cycling fora claim to be ever so cycling friendly.. spell it out.. and would be "anti-cycling" if similar posted here in UK


Wildy did post the links to prove her sources. She gave a pretty accurate summary/interpretation of what each said. Go read them. UK pretty good even if removed from poll position here.

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Insanitys post is so right whilst also being so wrong.

His friend possibly should have been prosicuted for due care and attention and got 6 points rather than a ban. However the inference that he had been reading a text is currently a sure way to tip the ballance for dangerous driving. Who the hell would try and turn right whist reading a text?

On the other side, the poor asian chap.
The lack of helmet did not make him crash
nor the lack of insurance, or a licence and 40 in a 30 many on here would argue can be very safe. He could have been on a provisional licence and insured and still have been hit by matey.
... and and was later found to have drugs in his system. ... well how much?
did he smoke a spliff 3 days ago or was he as high as a kite?
the lack of a crash helmit does impact on the suvivability of a crash. however a cyclist would have been just as vunerable and could also been aproaching 30mph or 40 on a good hill.

He was at least traveling in the direction of the traffic and insanitys mate should have seen him.

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No.

"An Asian" though? Classy. Note absense of qualifiers such as man, person, bloke or chap.

A post of so much utter sense that it nearly made me shed a tear, seriously.

edit, apart from this bit: -



I see this practically every other day when I'm cycling in London, I see some people doing some very scary things behind the steering wheels of their large vehicles (including drinking coffee whilst talking on mobile).

Tiny minority though, god bless the highway code.

Steady on, if he'd added "man" you'd probably be insinuating he was sexist as well as racist!

To be fair, the fact that the other driver was asian was relevant to the story, if you read it all, whereas the other driver's sex had no bearing at all.

Anyway, dealing with this moot point, I'll rephrase the question:

Would you have made the same reply if he'd said "my friend killed an /Australian"?

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No.

What the bit where he asserts via a "policeman" that its only Asian neighbourhoods where if you kill somebody others might be out to get you in revenge?

So in your book describing someone an Australian is ok, but describing them as an Asian is akin to calling them an animal? Do you not think that's just a teeny bit racist?

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Go and read it again. No assertion of that nature was made at all. He merely states that the Police warned him to stay away.

Now imagine if he'd said that it was a member of a close knit community of (say) Cumbrians, and he'd then related that the Police had warned him to stay away from their village as they were likely to lynch the perceived killer of one of their number. Would you say the poster was "off whack" for relating a story like that?

Or is it just Asians that you see as being somehow different to everyone else?

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