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Just in case you had forgotten exactly what you are supposed to be proving in this challenge...

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Well actually, no, I DIDNT say that I didn't know the population, it's approx 150,00 with 65,000 dwellings so how are you going to twist those figure to try and make sense??

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

I'm actually more than a little concerned, that someone who has such a lacking in basic maths or facts, might have a job involving road safety and casualty figures.

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

F#*k me! Population/Adults/Households/Council Tax Payers

Do you know all of these figures? The answer is NO, you do not.

Now F#*k off and get them, do the sums and come back and we'll talk.

YOUR concern is of little consequence my friend...thank goodness!

FACTS...
POPULATION 150,000
Dwellings 65,000

ANSWERS PLEASE?

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Thank goodness for you maybe and thank goodness you are not employed round here but one day someone will tumble to you!!!

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

POPULATION 150,000...........Of which how many are adults? How many are paying council tax? Do you see where I am going with this?

Don't forget, it's not just me and you reading this ...

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

...and it is unlikely to be you I would be prepared to say.

We've assumed that in a population of 150,000 approx 90,000 would be adults (mainly to help your poor maths) but feel free to make your own assumptions but you aint gonna get 66% by any twist or turn,

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

Time for bed me thinks...they say it is better to quit while you are ahead but I think it will be a long time before you have any chance of getting ahead in this game ...

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My views do not represent Safespeed but those of a driver who has driven for 39 yrs, in all conditions, at all times of the day & night on every type of road and covered well over a million miles, so knows a bit about what makes for safety on the road,what is really dangerous and needs to be observed when driving and quite frankly, the speedo is way down on my list of things to observe to negotiate Britain's roads safely, but I don't expect some fool who sits behind a desk all day to appreciate that.

This is a perfect illustration of your trouble in this; when did "we" assume anything of the sort, you did that.

Now if it was up to me I will assume that in a population of 150,000 that there are say, 60,000 adults; why not? Why not 120,000 adults? How about 117, 521?

We can assume what we like to and show just exactly what we want; what is a fact though is that there are a large number of the adults in that population that are not paying any council tax; what that is I do not know and at this time neither do you.

Please refrain from the personal attacks / slanders, this tread is entering into.

This is interesting but is entering an off topic nature, although I can see it has stemmed from the costs to Councils issues, relating to enforcement funds.

And on that score the Councils receive money back from various sources. Councils declaring as they used to that road fund license will go to the roads and then it does so less and less, will of course have the public upset - of course it will, because the relationship and honesty is broken. The more the Council uses the money for other issues the more annoyed the public become and find the costs imposed upon them excessive.

Whatever we might personally think, the Councils will continue to over-charge for services, and this Country is one that will 'carry' sectors of society, until the voted in MP's change the rules.

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[quote="GreenShed"]90,000 adults in 30,000 households means that 60,000 adults are not paying council tax unless all adults in the households are sharing it; say in a shared flat.[quote]

Everyone who lives in property where council tax is paid contribute to that tax, even children. Even if they don't put their hands in their pockets they forgo whatever pleasures the council tax money could buy if it didn't go to the council.


You will remember that the council tax for a single occupancy home is less than that for multiple occupancy home so the fact that there are two people in a house does not mean that one of them is not paying the tax.

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When I see an adult on a bicycle, I do not despair for the future of the human race. H.G. Wells
When I see a youth in a motor car I do d.c.brown

As yes, now you mention it, I don't think I ever got an answer to my last question on this Grenshed!

If the purpose, as you seem to be suggesting, of lowering a 60 limit to a 50 is to make people do no more than 60, why does my local SCP prosecute at 57 and above?

Not really reading Greenshed's essays, I missed the following:



So in Safety Camera World, reducing a frequently transgressed limit will increase compliance?

Revenue, perhaps, but not compliance.

For myself, I'm far more likely to strictly obey a sensibly-set limit than a cynical money maker.

Greenshed,

Did you manage to find/deduce the data to justify your statement of the contribution from motorists paling into insignificance? It’s funny how you’ve been involved in several pages of debate resulting from it, without actually acknowledging that simple, fundamental and pertinent question.

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I'd drive to the limit, and often do on all manner of roads (I've driven through France on a number of occasions).

I'd not have much of a problem with some motorways in the UK going up to 80 as long as any trial was properly monitored. For some an 80 limit would mean let's do 95-100, hence creating quite a large speed differential alongside law abiding drivers, so I figure it would be up to the those folks as to whether or not it was successful.

I'd be happy if the 80 limits we're introduced and enforced with average speed camaras.

Again, I'm not really that bothered about motorways in the grand scheme of things, there are no pedestrians or cyclists on them (generally), although i do take issue with the absolute loons including those that think it's acceptable to go at 85-90 down the outside of queuing traffic etc...

When you were driving around France, did you get a chance to see how they did it in Germany?


Assuming motorways were as you described (the limit was set to 80mph), would average speed cams stop these loons?
Does our call for more trafpol suddenly make sense?

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Views expressed are personal opinions and are not necessarily shared by the Safe Speed campaign