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No, it's pointless.

Well perhaps you and others should stop calling people trolls if you aren't willing to justify it.

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Hjeg2.. I wish you would chat about things to do with road safety and not posts which you think are accusing you of whatever.


For record.. I do not see your posts as undermining my opinion. I can counter you. I think Wildy trounced you a bit with her foreign stats. In fairness.. she explained what it said in fairly lucid terms. She does worry about posts from "foreign" though.. but you must understand that German/French and Italian appear more "normal" to her than English which we native brought up Brits see as our "norm".. if you understand what I am saying.

Basically .. we can trump you out here.. because of the foreign access. Howard and spinnny claim Europe safer than UK.. but a google to their original lingo news/stats disputes this allegation

The only safe roads are their motorways really per their own stat returns. However, they do investigate causes better and seek to educate ALL and are winning their battles very quickly as a result of all this and deseve :claps: and for this.


I would like you to comment on a story we found via google this evening though.

I think I should post in SPL as opposed to cycling forum since you post here most of the time. Do read it. Do comment.

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OK which report - supply link or reference.

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Top quality!

With regard to casualties reducing at speed camera sites, maybe it's true.

But - nationally - road deaths are plateauing; they are not reducing as they should which suggests to me that the accidents that used to occur at scam sites are now occuring elsewhere. This country is not seeing any benefit from the increasing proliferation of speed cams.

That is all.

Goodnight.

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So then, for all the trolls: which is more dangerous????????????????????

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You will be branded a threat to society by going over a speed limit where it is safe to do so, and suffer the consequences of your actions in a way criminals do not, more so than someone who is a real threat to our society.

That's 'cos everyone uses alternative routes!

(:oops1: I fed a troll..... )

Hmmm, I think there'll be a percentage of the traffic running down the road in the equations somewhere wouldn't you say?



Cor, this is getting v boring.

Well, you don't have to either read these forums or post here...

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You don't find the constant use of the "troll" ad hominem a bit dull (and childish)?

I think he means the Pilkington report which did bandy around claims from 17% to 70% at fixed cam sites.


It also concluded that the study did not prove cam effectiveness because no one could supply a standard method of collating the statistics. I think we have discussed that report on here before... along with the Mountain one which looked at one set of urban roads only. She admitted that her work was not conclusive and subject to further research at the time.


We do have the links and the pieces in full somewhere in archives on threads which Paul initiated for discussion.

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The report that Paul obtained through his FOI namely the TRL595 website ref here, clearly shows that there is a marked improvement, with all Police presence on the roads, but all cameras of any kind, have a worse effect !
This includes fixed analogue and SPECS, and it was partly this that I recently discussed on one of the Three Counties Radio, stations.

So if there IS ANY report that can show anything else, then I would LOVE to see it - so weepej do PM me with it or place that ref here or send me a copy of it by email or post even.
I would welcome a debate about this. I will start a new thread however, as this one is far too long and far to varied.

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I'm pretty sure hjeg2 wasn't speaking of this report, but I don't know which one hjeg2 is referring to, Pilkington report?

Personally I'd expect that speed cameras at road works would result in more silly shunts and less serious crashes (i.e a postive result as what would be serious crashes at higher speeds are mollified into silly shunts), and that appears to be what the executive summary is saying.

Oh, and it also states that there is no significant difference on PIAs between no works and works which is a very different picture from 10 years ago when it would seem that roadworks meant higher PIAs.

With average speed cameras commonly in use today I bet the PIA rate (certainly the KSI rate) in road works is actually lower that the normal motorway rate.

Unfortunately 'betting' should have no place in road safety, though it sadly does at present!