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It's actually rather more extreme even than that. The theft of a few paperclips is, still, theft; and, however trivial, represents a loss to the victim. A speeding offence - any speeding offence - that does not actually result in a crash or incident of some sort has no consequence - causes no loss or damage - to anybody.

Yes - the theft of a few paper clips is theft -however the employee could well claim that he did not claim for the extra 25 mins in the office on the phone.If he did , would his employer consider paying him for it - and if not : could this be considered as theft by the emploiyer?/
Or the employee used his own personal tools to do a job, because the employer had not provided any - and had not paid for the use .

Catch 22---n'est pas.






Again - catch 22

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Notwithstanding BW's sin-bin status and the self inflicted removal of his right to reply, IMO this is the biggest falsehood uttered by the man in this forum, and I present this thread as evidence.

The number of times he has sidestepped questions, disregarded points by other posters and gone off on tangents speak for themselves.

There's an email exchange going on. I hope the problems can be resolved.

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Ooh - had more laughs skimming through this! I'd miss the old though - need a good laugh after work.

But if he's reading








How about the threads in "Improve Driving" for starters?

Maximise COAST in all driving lessons?

Direct them to track days as per journalist in a local paper of a town much further south in the "urban sprawl".

Also - new drivers and young males do not always have accidents because of a youthful preoccupation with wheel spins - more to do with error due to inexperience - hence we should stress the CIOAST message, andencourage to improve as contimuum. You keep banging on that speed is something "naughty" and kids will do what kids have always done - try to push the envelope as far as they can. Not that I am expert on kids either - but with seven of the little "horrors" - I try to learn with great sp[eed





You've seen nuffink! Lot of young lads were be converted to the Moggie if they saw ours in action!

But I don't wear a flat cap - I need full rally gear - especially if Wildy drives it!



Any decent pyschologist could measure this

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As for the speeding - everyone does so - extra couple of mph but accidents occur a low speeds. Know this from RTAs dealt with when in A&E days and of course Wildy's cousin was hit at just 20 mph and killed on impact.

Most overspeeds result in zero accidents and millions of people are being fined over trivialities and even receiving the same punsihments as those who really ignore road conditions. It's just not on - in interests of equity and justice. Also drink drive accidents are UP, defectives are UP, and some just do not know what "stay on own side of road using dipped lights" means and too few understand what rear fog lights are for. And some of these accidents are due to this - and guess what - these folks are below or at lolly sign.

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Hmmm that's not what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying is that I don't want to drive with my eyes firmly fixed on my speedo - I want to drive safely, taking all circumstances into consideration. If I'm not in my local area, then not being familiar with the location is another just another factor that I need to take into consideration.



I agree totally.

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Although I'm the new boy here and for what it's worth, I'd like to see BW's account re-instated too.

I am keen to hear and try and understand an opposite point of view to my own...

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I hope that will be possible.



However, you are unlikely to hear a coherent opposite case from basingwerk. I cannot recall that he has ever presented a straight and honest argument. Basingwerk has been described (accurately in my opinion) a 'twisty-turny thing'.

Believe me, if we found someone who could present an honest argument for 'the other side' we would welcome him with open arms. It is perhaps illuminating that we have found no such person in the 21 months that these forums have been operating.

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I think we perhaps need to separate speeding from driving behaviour generally. If you speed whether intentionally or not you know that you may receive a penalty for doing so. This act of speeding may or may not endanger other road users. We know from police accident reports that inappropriate speed for the prevailing conditions is rarely the sole cause of accidents, though it is sometimes a factor.
There has been a lot of discussion on why young drivers have so many accidents compared with other groups of drivers.
Perhaps it is because they don't perceive situations as risky whereas in later life they would. Something to do with feeling that they are immortal, perhaps. I can think of my son in his 20s running along Striding Edge while I am picking my way carefully thinking what might happen if I slip. This means he is much more confident in his ability to recover the situation if it goes wrong than I am or that he will react more quickly. The more you "get away with it" the more your confidence improves. The same applies to driving. The same applies to my daughter - driving too fast and too close but getting away with it. Instead of perceiving a near-miss as a wake-up call, it is laughed off. I like to think that the ratio is 10 near-misses to 1 accident.
One hears of unofficial contests where the aim is to get from A to B in the shortest possible time - I just hope they don't meet the tractor and trailer at the wrong moment.
And then there's motorcycling. On a lot of roads sticking to the speed limit is no fun at all, so outside built-up areas most don't stick to it. The risk thing applies to bikers' manoeuvres perceived as dangerous by car drivers. Often these manoeuvres have little risk attached from the bikers' point of view. Failure to take a bend safely is more likely to be their undoing. In some ways we should be pleased that young drivers tend to have cars these days rather than motorbikes as when I was 17. Running off the road is more dangerous to a motorbike rider and the pillion passenger (if there is one) than to a car driver but the car driver is more likely to kill or injure others.

Hello, I am a French guy and I am interested by the high level of analysis displayed by this web site.


I quicky went through this thread, and I think that the posts of basingwerk brought some nice discussion up.

I would be interested to discuss with him.
As a French driver, of course, I may not have the same quality experience as you folks have, but would be happy to contribute my 2 eurocents.

Salut! Je vous fais bon accueil! Enchante de vous avoir chez nous!







I enjoy driving in France - and find drivers fairly polite on whole. Paris - another matter


Also found it amusing to read the ministers who introduced in Frnce got pinged and was even more amused to read initial reactions were "traditionally" French

As for Basingbonce - nowhere near as bad as true "trolls" where the reaction should be:



We'd made some in-roads - he agreed IG needed to eat and was even using the term Pratnership and scam! - In case vchiu does not realise - slight "play" on words as we generally tend to substitute "prat" for "£silly person" and "£££scam" for so called "safety" camera - to be politically correct here and thus fashionable in eyes of the average "Guardian reader"

Like to see him continue his musings on here as he really proves how right we are anyway!

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It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
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But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

French drivers are polite??
I really don't think so. I prefer the british drivers. German drivers are OK

Anyway, I think it is healthy to have contradictors, and I would be open to inviting "road safety" activists to get into heat debate.

But it is key not to get personal and stay cool.

I tried to light up some discussion about speed limit upgrading on www.edmunds.com forum, but it seems nobody cares. I am very frustrated by ridiculously low speed limits that I sometime believe they stand for compulsory minimum speed limit indeed

Guess it depends where you drive. I find Paris a nightmare - but in Haute Savoie, and Alsace-Lorraine - drivers have been fine. Pas de probleme!

Biarritz was another mattter and Provence? Merde alors! But we've always had fun on the Corniche on Cote d'Az .. BOF!

My wife'e Swiss but learned to drive in Germany (SHe's from Appenzell so tends to talk that funny nasal twang She's quite a good driver





True - and our basingwerk liked the last word. Wife, self and IG (he's my wife's cousin ) found him amusing overall.



Some limits are ridiculously and others are actuall too high for th road condition. We can all name roads.

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If you want to get to heaven - you have to raise a little hell!

Smilies are contagious
They are just like the flu
We use our smilies on YOU today
Now Good Causes are smiling too!

KEEP SMILING
It makes folk wonder just what you REALLY got up to last night!

Smily to penny.. penny to pound
safespeed prospers-smiles all round! !
But the real message? SMILE.. GO ON ! DO IT! and the world will smile with you!
Enjoy life! You only have the one bite at it.

Thank you for those touching and profound words,

Now I propose we go back to our topic : WHY DRIVERS SPEED?

My answer is : because posted limits are way too Low.

I have a beloved 1978 Citroen Ami 8 estate, which huge 602cc can propel me to the deadly speed of 70 Mph (but need patience)

I think many posted limits are rather suitable for this car.

I am also the owner of an Ecologically-unconscious BMW 740i that can easily top twice this figure.

as, for one, would never ever think about even breaking our beloved 70Mph limit with the ami8 on the mortorway (even if it was capable to). On the other hand, I would get much more safety going 30 mph more with the latter. (optimal road/weather/traffic/health conditions, this goes without writing)

My view is that different cars should get different speed limit abilities on the motorway. The limit would not exceed, say, 75% of the car's top speed. good for Porsche, bad for an Austin mini

Why not just admit it,
you all get caught speeding and lose your rags because deep down you know damn well that you weren't paying a blind bit of attention and you feel like a prat.

WHY PEOPLE SPEED

Stupidity
Lack of attention
FUN
Arrogance ( thinking ability to pay equals ability to play )
Bad timing
Frustration
FUN
Selfishness
Drunkeness
FUN
Irresponsibility
Poor time management
FUN

You think you have thought this through, but allow me to assure that you have not. Stick around and examine the arguments.

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Hi Witchescat

Welcome aboard! Please have a good look around the SafeSpeed site. Hopefully you'll find it of interest and realise that this site is about Road Safety.

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I think you'll find that most of the regular posters on this site have clean licences of many years' standing.

Perhaps you'd like to give us a synopsis of your own driving experience and explain how you ensure you never exceed any speed limits.

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I have had car and bike licences for exactly twenty years.
I have been fined for speeding 3 times, all fixed penalty VASCAR( last one in 94 ). I'm guessing at around 350,000 miles in cars, vans ect and about 100,000 miles on bikes.
How much longer do you want me to consider my opinions?
I think it is you who have not thought this through or you misunderstand my post.
The question asked by the thread is WHY. I gave a list, what on that list do you not agree with?
You may have others to add but do you absolutely reject any I gave?
Do you speak for all drivers or just yourself in which case do you have special circumstances you would like to explain?
Was it the comment about not paying attention that irked you? Are you seriously suggesting that people are deliberatly driving through speed traps out of bloody mindedness?
I they don't see the camara then how can they claim to be paying attention?
Let me sweeten the pill for you and confirm that ( apart from the drunkeness ) all the traits in the list I posted are ones which I am also guilty of, and so are YOU.

The thread is titled 'Why people speed'.
What are you not getting ? Perhaps I am missing something here.
Is there a hidden question or meaning or does it in fact simply ask the question 'Why people speed'
Why the smarmy replies?
If the post title means something completely differant to you then perhaps 'Welcome to the forum' really means' go to hell!