Safe Speed Forums

The campaign for genuine road safety
It is currently Wed Jul 01, 2026 03:24

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 44 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 09:37 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 15, 2005 00:15
Posts: 5232
Location: Windermere
Mikes1988 - you should spend more time here. Not just to observe and pick up tips, but also to provide some well thought out and well presented views.

Right or wrong, all input here makes people think, and any discussion which results can only be beneficial to all concerned.

In the meantime, browse the cycling section too, and see things from another view, and see if you have any ideas from that! :idea: :clap:

_________________
Time to take responsibility for our actions.. and don't be afraid of speaking out!


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 02:01 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2004 23:42
Posts: 3820
Agree with Ern :clap:

Quote:

I'm a 17 year old male, living in Northern Ireland, passed my test at end of November... I only drive about 150 miles a week, sometimes a wee tiny bit more.

Over here we have R plates, and are restricted to 45 mph for a year (I'm sure you know this). I totally agree with this system, and I actually think that we need to be taught more about driving in different conditions (ie Pass Plus) but we really need this before we are allowed to drive alone. The only time I think that having the 45 limit is on a motorway. I've had a few scary moments at 1am and times like that with Subaru Imprezas and various other 'fast' cars, not realising that I was only doing 45-50mph, when they were doing in the region of 90. Its quite scary to see how fast the tiny speck of headlight you saw a couple of seconds ago can actually grow into a full bonnet...

I'm not saying that we're capable of more speed, but it's just a bit scary at times.


Germany introduced motorway and rural driving as compulsory elements of their test after a girl caused a pile up in the Rhein/Ruhr mortorway merges in which five died. :cry: Deemed as one of the country’s worst tragedies at the time :(

German government of 1976 responded by tightening the test. :clap:

I think it works as new drivers are introduced to normal driving whilst under tight supervision and advice.

Quote:




After I passed my test I would say I was reckless for about a fortnight, driving at 45 on country roads, and it didn't take long for me to realise that I could seriously hurt myself, or kill the pedestrian that is walking down my side of the road around this corner, and I quite quickly 'wised up'.


That’s nice to read. Wish there were more like you. :bow: Of course – young Mike F who posts when he has time during his student vacations is another youngster I would applaud as an encouraging example of a steady young driver as well. It is nice to know there are others like him. :)

Quote:
I haven't yet (hopefully this is not a jinx) crashed, spun or managed to pull off any stupid 'stunt' in my car, but I have skidded taking a corner slightly too quickly for my skill (or unskill) level... And after that I suddenly became even more aware of the dangers.


Excellent. :clap:

You recognised a weak point, evaluated and are learning to adapt.

We have a piece in the “Improve Driving section” where my Cumbrian colleague – Ian – posted excellent advice on cornering. Take a look see – the trick is in ensuring that you maintain a limit point – which is always the distance in which you can see to be clear and are able to stop comfortably on your own side of the road. :wink:

Quote:
My instructor wasn't an ADI or anything, he was just a friend who instructs friends, and while I was learning he did teach me how to do a U turn properly, and he offered to teach me how to do J turns, to try and show me how the car can handle when you do silly things. I haven't seen him recently and I really must get up to him to get a few extra 'lessons' on car handling and stuff.


Good idea – but you could save up and invest in an IAM course, which would lighten the load on your insurance on shop arounds. :wink: My son (20) got a 10% discount recently…- which I think had something to do with his gift of the gab as well as his driving skills :lol: :lol: He's a lippy so and so :shock: - runs in my Dad's side of the family :wink: ... (His sister (my Aunty) is Wildy's Mum :hehe:)

and I understand the Mad Cats managed to do similarly when insuring their eldest (18) to drive their cars.




Quote:
Back on the 45mph limit, it is really quite difficult when you need to be in the right hand lane coming up to a roundabout, and only being able to do 45 on a dual carriageway/motorway, I have had to sort of abort a few times and take the first left at a roundabout, find a suitable place to turn, and then reattempt the roundabout... I know that is probably bad planning and anticipation on my part, but personally speaking, driving on lane 2 of a motorway at 45mph is suicidal...


You need to get your confidence. You are approaching a roundabout?

Right – you should not and never allow others to intimidate in this way.

Have you got P Plates? We have discussed roundabouts in the past – but really they are not different to any right turn.

Make sure you plan – concentrate and observe – look in all mirrors and give a lifesaver over shoulder look - signal your intent to move to the outer lane in good time and look for that gap . Usually the other driver will appreciate your care (most are reasonable and safe and courteous ) and nip intot the flow of the outer lane and approach the roundabout “prepared to stop but ready to go” A full diagram and explanation can be read in Road Craft. :wink: (And it's up to day with mod cars these days... driving safetly and using OAP extended to COAST has not changed :wink:

Quote:
Oh, and I think we should be taught how to deal with aggressive drivers... When you're on L plates you're really mollycoddled, and you just assume that people are being aggressive because you are a learner, but suddenly you're alone and you get tailgated in a 30 zone, while you are doing 30. The tailgater then goes into the right hand lane at a set of traffic lights which are at red. The right hand lane is for right turn only, and he cuts you up on the green light, speeding off then braking sharply when he reaches a queue of traffic...


Lot of sound advice already on the main site and board about how to deal with these idiots :wink:

– but stay calm, ease off and assist his overtake by adjusting position and making a gap for him to move into.

Remember :wink: – he gets the points on his licence if copped for daft driving… :roll:

If numpty gets into the wrong lane and then tries to move into the left hand lane – just let him.

Not worth losing a no claims over this.- or finding yourself accused of road rage… :roll:

_________________
Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!


Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 02:40 
Offline
Member
Member

Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2006 02:02
Posts: 258
Location: Northern Ireland
:) Thanks for the reply... Over here in N.I. we dont have P plates, but we are forced to display R plates for a year after we pass. I agree that it's a good idea for normal driving, but I don't really consider motorway driving as normal driving... On a motorway (and even a dual carriageway) I think it is dangerous to be limited to 45mph. I don't drive on the motorways much, I have no real need, but there are times when to use the back roads would be dangerous (Northern Ireland, possibility of car hijacking is still here) and I would just suffer the motorway...

I think, as with a lot of things, the R plates may be on their way out, but I also don't think thats a good idea either, because I know that a young driver may not be capable of using sensible speed... I know some people that take their R plates down quite a lot, which is punishable by 2 penalty points as far as I know... Personally I'd rather just speed past 45 and only get 3, rather than get 2 for not having your R plates and 3 for driving faster than 45... But anyway...

The thing is... That when you do 45 on the outside lane, you aren't really keeping up with the traffic in front, and anyone else wanting to use the outside lane (when they could be doing 70) doesn't appreciate the fact that you don't really have a choice... So the getting into the lane early doesn't work... And if you leave it too late you're also the worst in the world for cutting infront of someone. I know, it would probably just be best if I stayed off the m'ways as much as possible, and I normally only use a stretch which has proper junctions, rather than a roundabout... Oh well...

I only have about 9 months left of my R plates, and then I shouldn't have any trouble...


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 21:32 
Offline
User
User avatar

Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2004 23:42
Posts: 3820
mikes1988 wrote:
:) Thanks for the reply... Over here in N.I. we dont have P plates, but we are forced to display R plates for a year after we pass.


The equivalent then :wink:


Quote:
I agree that it's a good idea for normal driving, but I don't really consider motorway driving as normal driving... On a motorway (and even a dual carriageway) I think it is dangerous to be limited to 45mph.


I agree this is dangerous and I would not be n favour of restricting new drivers like this. Much the same reason why I would not wish to have one limit for Advances and another for all others.

We could not police it properly for starters - and our roads are not engineered for this anyway.

I would much ratehr we follow Germany and include night driving as a compulsory lesson and include a motorway drive or drive on a fast road on the L test. This would ensure that all could drive to an adequately acepetable standard on these roads for starters and help the much needed confidence and an understanding of the higher speeds and observation techniques required as "basic standard."


most sensible youngster I have read for some time wrote:
I don't drive on the motorways much, I have no real need, but there are times when to use the back roads would be dangerous (Northern Ireland, possibility of car hijacking is still here) and I would just suffer the motorway...


I know - my yuoung friend - I hear stories. Mad Doc (my cousin's husband) posted a series for the hihacking problems in Manchester as well. It is a serious issue on the mainland too. Most of these gangs target certain makes - and they need the keys as well these days. Hence a "safety device" initiates a more serious menace .... :roll:

Criminal minds... :roll: :roll: They will always find a new crime...to carry on their activities! :banghead:

They will always be able to work out a way around "setback" such as Id cards etc. :roll:


Quote:
I think, as with a lot of things, the R plates may be on their way out, but I also don't think thats a good idea either, because I know that a young driver may not be capable of using sensible speed... I know some people that take their R plates down quite a lot, which is punishable by 2 penalty points as far as I know... Personally I'd rather just speed past 45 and only get 3, rather than get 2 for not having your R plates and 3 for driving faster than 45... But anyway...


The only advantage with these plates is that they alert more experienced sensible majority to accept and allow for a more vulnerable novice. Seems daft to penalise for not displaying them though. I can well imagine a parent removing them and then Junior forgetting to put them back... :wink:

Quote:
The thing is... That when you do 45 on the outside lane, you aren't really keeping up with the traffic in front, and anyone else wanting to use the outside lane (when they could be doing 70) doesn't appreciate the fact that you don't really have a choice... So the getting into the lane early doesn't work... And if you leave it too late you're also the worst in the world for cutting infront of someone. I know, it would probably just be best if I stayed off the m'ways as much as possible, and I normally only use a stretch which has proper junctions, rather than a roundabout... Oh well...

I only have about 9 months left of my R plates, and then I shouldn't have any trouble...


I do worry that you have not gained sufficient expertise by such daftness...

As I understand the "Continental" version .. they allow the new drivers to drive at 130 kph (81.25 mph in our money) - but they do not allow youngster to buy top range power house cars for 2 years and they do require a a green "P" or "R" type plate for six months to one year or certian amount of miles :wink:

_________________
Take with a chuckle or a grain of salt
Drive without COAST and it's all your own fault!

A SMILE is a curve that sets everything straight (P Diller).

A Smiley Per post
FINES USfor our COAST!


Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon - but driving with a smile and a COAST calm mind.


Top
 Profile Send private message  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 44 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 108 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You can post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
[ Time : 0.347s | 11 Queries | GZIP : Off ]