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Going back on topic slightly, thought this would be of interest to some.

http://www.trl.co.uk/store/report_detai ... 77&pid=211

Just click the download.

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going by table 1 - where all bar one age group have the same incidence of seatbelt wearing as the previous year and even that age group is only one point adrift (which in statistical terms is probably more to do with clustering than significant change) - looks like my perceived reduction in seat belt wearing is just that - a perception.

Possibly driven by my increased interest in all things road safety (damn you Paulspeed, you've made me think about this sort of thing more! )?

Thanks for posting that Dixie.

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handy,

my perception is the same as yours, and what's more, there's no way that only about 8% of occupants aren't belted up.

Frankly I'm deeply suspicious of this research!

I'd like to see stats on crashes - injuries and deaths in belted vs injuries and deaths in unbelted.

If there is a significant difference then no insurance if you aren't wearing a belt. (Or similar!)
If there isn't a significant difference then repeal the seatbelt law.

Mole am a 5'7" shorty, but still find that the belts tend to tighten up over a long drive, using the clip on the belt doesn't stop the inertia reel locking but does stop the belt getting too tight, haven't found that belt height makes to much difference.

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http://www.wildcrafts.co.uk

I'm rushing right now, but try searching on 'Noland' and 'seat belts' - I think you'll hit his research easily and it shows about a 10% improvement in survival rates for seat belt wearers.

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Thanks Paul, I'll look it out.

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I just thought I would pipe in with a few of my own observations.



I would have to say from my casual observations of commuting through London on a daily base at least 1/3 of people are not using seatbelts.

But what I find oddest of all is young mothers with there huge 4x4s ether not wearing a seatbelt or oddest of all there safely belted in but the children are “free-range” in the back of the car. Surely if you go to the expense of owning and running one of these huge cars on the grounds of safety then you would use all its safety features.

One though about seatbelts how many of what we consider minor fender benders (no one hurt) would have resulted in more serious injury if the occupants where not wearing the seatbelts. I think this in itself may be more important than the performance in major crashes due to there more common occurrences.



Second thing on the C1

I would never ever ride one myself been 6’2 and 20 odd stone (some of it muscle) even if I did fit I would look like a right tit and it would have the performance of an asthmatic 3 legged goat.

With that said I did see a head on collision involving a C1 last summer when a car pullout out of a junction without looking cutting into the path of the C1. The C1 slammed into the cars side at a good 35 to 40 mph and I honestly thought “shit he’s dead” but to my shock and amassment the rider was unhurt apart from whiplash and a possible broken wrist.

Say what you will about them and there ascetics but the safety shell does seam to work for head on collisions for I doubt and normal “proper” bikes rider would have gotten off so lightly.

Per yesterday's "Bolton" paper - courtesy of my younger sister based down there - for yesterday only those copped not wearing a seatbelt were not ]/i] fined/

Instead they were sent to the local fire station where a combination of ambulance crews, firemen, police and A&E medical staff (they gave up a rest day for this ) demonstrated quite graphically the dangers of [i] not wearing one.



They were show graphic videos and photos of the aftermath of a smash and this spelled out the danger of not wearing one. At NO point per the paper was SPEED mentioned .. This and some displays of what can go on in A&E - took a half hour.

GMP decided to target Bolton because this town had the highest number of KSI resulting from failure to Clunk Click un entire UK.

Surveys and research seem to show that drivers and front seat passengers belt up.. and only 60% of rear seat passengers - and it's when they surge forwards in any shunt that the risk of serious injury occurs .



Not wise..




Insp Burrows and Steve Jordan of Manchester's Fire Service both state in this paper that each of them can recall at least FOUR cases in which a person would still be alive if they had been weraing a belt.

Cannot resist.. so it's not speed then ..

But I do agree that education will help get the safety message across.



I just do not know Andy why some do not wear these belts.

I do know that ladies who either have endured mastectomies or have rather large bosoms complain about discomfort.. but there are some cushions on the market which prevent the belt's "rubbing"

Wildy on the other hand - took an "educated risk assessment" She saw the car approach her and undid her belt to adopt a cash positiion

I would not wish to speculate as to how far this helped in that really odd situation ... but I know my wife does do things based on her assessment of a situation....I am just grateful and very thankful she survived .. even if she can be maddening at times

But having said that.. second nature to us to clunk and click and ensure kittens (as we call 'em ) are secured in child seats, boosters and so on..

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